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I get your concern, but I would probably reserve the word inadequate. If this is the only situation you have to worry about a self driving care hitting and kill

by Rapzid 9y ago

I get your concern, but I would probably reserve the word inadequate. If this is the only situation you have to worry about a self driving care hitting and killing you in, and it's the only know data point at this time, some may consider that much more than adequate.

dragontamer 9y ago
But this isn't the only self-driving car issue. https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-why-crash-radar/ https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-why-crash-radar/ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/30/tesla-autopilot-death-self-driving-car-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/30/tesla-aut...
- jozzas 9y ago
  I really don't bundle Tesla in with Waymo, Lyft, Toyota, Uber that are trying to build ground-up self driving cars. Are Tesla actively testing self-driving cars on public roads yet? Are their included sensors even up to the task? I didn't think they even have LiDAR?
  - gowld 9y ago
    Tesla does automatic lane-change and automatic braking.
  - dragontamer 9y ago
    True, but this seems to be a simple case of reacting to a person who steps in front of the car. Automatic braking technology exists on even cars that aren't considered "self-driving".
galdosdi 9y ago
If this is the only data point then uber self driving cars are about 50 times more dangerous than average human drivers (see numbers quoted repeatedly elsewhere; uber has driven about 2 megamiles; human average is 100 megamiles between fatalities) If that's your idea of adequate, you'd be safer just vowing to get drunk every time you drive from now on, since a modest BAC increases accident rates, but not by a factor of FIFTY!
bigiain 9y ago
Yeah - _maybe_. A website that "does something weird" when you use a single quote in your password... That _could_ be "the only situation you have to worry about". It is _way_ more often a sign of at least the whole category of SQLi bugs, and likely indicative that the devs are not aware of _any_ of the other categories of errors from the OWASP top 10 lists, and you should soon expect to find XSS, CSRF, insecure deserialisation, and pretty much every other common web security error. If you had to bet on it - would you bet this incident is more likely to be indicative of a "person pushing a bicycle in the dark" bug, or that there's a whole category of "person with an object is not reliably recognised as a person" or "two recognised objects (bicycle and person) not in an expected place or moving in an expected fashion for either of them - gets ignored" bug? And how much do you want to bet it's all being categorised by machine learning, so the people who built it cant even tell which kind of bug it is, or how it got it wrong, so they'll just add a few hundred bits of video of "people pushing bikes" data to the training set and a dozen or so of them to the testing set and say "we've fixed it!"

by Rapzid 9y ago

dragontamer 9y ago

But this isn't the only self-driving car issue. https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-why-crash-radar/ https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-why-crash-radar/ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/30/tesla-autopilot-death-self-driving-car-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/30/tesla-aut...

jozzas 9y ago
I really don't bundle Tesla in with Waymo, Lyft, Toyota, Uber that are trying to build ground-up self driving cars. Are Tesla actively testing self-driving cars on public roads yet? Are their included sensors even up to the task? I didn't think they even have LiDAR?
- gowld 9y ago
  Tesla does automatic lane-change and automatic braking.
- dragontamer 9y ago
  True, but this seems to be a simple case of reacting to a person who steps in front of the car. Automatic braking technology exists on even cars that aren't considered "self-driving".

galdosdi 9y ago

If this is the only data point then uber self driving cars are about 50 times more dangerous than average human drivers (see numbers quoted repeatedly elsewhere; uber has driven about 2 megamiles; human average is 100 megamiles between fatalities) If that's your idea of adequate, you'd be safer just vowing to get drunk every time you drive from now on, since a modest BAC increases accident rates, but not by a factor of FIFTY!

bigiain 9y ago

Yeah - _maybe_. A website that "does something weird" when you use a single quote in your password... That _could_ be "the only situation you have to worry about". It is _way_ more often a sign of at least the whole category of SQLi bugs, and likely indicative that the devs are not aware of _any_ of the other categories of errors from the OWASP top 10 lists, and you should soon expect to find XSS, CSRF, insecure deserialisation, and pretty much every other common web security error. If you had to bet on it - would you bet this incident is more likely to be indicative of a "person pushing a bicycle in the dark" bug, or that there's a whole category of "person with an object is not reliably recognised as a person" or "two recognised objects (bicycle and person) not in an expected place or moving in an expected fashion for either of them - gets ignored" bug? And how much do you want to bet it's all being categorised by machine learning, so the people who built it cant even tell which kind of bug it is, or how it got it wrong, so they'll just add a few hundred bits of video of "people pushing bikes" data to the training set and a dozen or so of them to the testing set and say "we've fixed it!"