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I don't think Uber are stupid enough to doctor evidence before handing it to police.

by steve19 9y ago

fudged71 9y ago
Uber has built tools to track and avoid police. This is NOT below them.
- mehrdadn 9y ago
  Under the new CEO?
  - dustinmoorenet 9y ago
    Third comment I have seen by you mentioning the new CEO, so I think this is worth stating. Does a new CEO automatically change all the thinking from all the employees that were hired under the old CEO? Uber has a compromised integrity because they, as a collection of managers, made immoral/illegal decisions. So yeah, hiding information to save their ass is something I see as possible.
    - rgbrenner 9y ago
      Not just their thinking.. after 9 years, they have policies, practices, rituals, incentives, etc (both written and unwritten) that supported those immoral/illegal decisions. And the employees aren't helpless either. If they don't like this new CEO, they can choose to withhold information, don't write things down that are no longer approved of, etc while their direct manager looks the other way. They can collectively undermine the CEO until he's completely ineffective and forced to leave. The culture is one of the hardest things to change inside of a company once it's established. It's self-reinforcing. So we have to wait a couple of years to see if he's successful. There's no guarantee he'll win just because he's at the top.
    - mehrdadn 9y ago
      I don't know about you, but if I was in his shoes coming in trying to fix a company with a compromised integrity like this, I would be making it very clear to the employees on day 1 that anyone who continued the same old crap or showed similarly questionable judgment (whether to the company's benefit or otherwise) would be fired instantly, end of story. I'd bet that would change things mighty quick. And I don't think this is the only solution either. So yeah, I think it's very doable if the CEO is serious about it, and he very much seems to be. I'm more than open to see evidence to the contrary, but until then, I think it's quite wrong and unfair to assume they would be continuing their previous practices.
      - macintux 9y ago
        You're arguing they deserve the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Most people seem to feel they've done enough damage that it's on Uber to prove they're worthy of trust.
      - rgbrenner 9y ago
        Culture is much harder to change than you're making it out to be. The employees are not his subjects that can be bossed around and ordered to behave in a certain manner. That's old school management thinking (from 50+ years ago) that's very ineffective. The culture is one of the hardest things to change once it has been established. It prevents companies from entering certain market segments; from competing in certain ways; from taking certain actions. In a large company, it's so difficult to change, that it's easier and more effective to establish groups outside of the company to pursue new initiatives. For example, this is the reason why AWS is separated from the retail segment inside amazon. Why Walmart won't compete with Nordstrom. And why large companies regularly create subsidiaries to innovate on new ideas or pursue new market segments (and they're often established off-site, so the corporations culture doesn't carry over). GM makes a great example about how difficult that can be. They spent billions on Saturn as an experiment to build a new car company. Later they tried to integrate Saturns success into GM by adopting their culture and other practices... but it didn't matter what the management wanted... Saturn died and GM didn't change. Saturn's culture didn't infect GM--GM successfully killed a culture that tried to change them, even after seeing the success of Saturn.
Steeeve 9y ago
Maybe not. Perfectly within their wheelhouse to provide the one video or version of video that makes them look best.

I don't think Uber are stupid enough to doctor evidence before handing it to police.

fudged71 9y ago

Uber has built tools to track and avoid police. This is NOT below them.

mehrdadn 9y ago
Under the new CEO?
- dustinmoorenet 9y ago
  Third comment I have seen by you mentioning the new CEO, so I think this is worth stating. Does a new CEO automatically change all the thinking from all the employees that were hired under the old CEO? Uber has a compromised integrity because they, as a collection of managers, made immoral/illegal decisions. So yeah, hiding information to save their ass is something I see as possible.
  - rgbrenner 9y ago
    Not just their thinking.. after 9 years, they have policies, practices, rituals, incentives, etc (both written and unwritten) that supported those immoral/illegal decisions. And the employees aren't helpless either. If they don't like this new CEO, they can choose to withhold information, don't write things down that are no longer approved of, etc while their direct manager looks the other way. They can collectively undermine the CEO until he's completely ineffective and forced to leave. The culture is one of the hardest things to change inside of a company once it's established. It's self-reinforcing. So we have to wait a couple of years to see if he's successful. There's no guarantee he'll win just because he's at the top.
  - mehrdadn 9y ago
    I don't know about you, but if I was in his shoes coming in trying to fix a company with a compromised integrity like this, I would be making it very clear to the employees on day 1 that anyone who continued the same old crap or showed similarly questionable judgment (whether to the company's benefit or otherwise) would be fired instantly, end of story. I'd bet that would change things mighty quick. And I don't think this is the only solution either. So yeah, I think it's very doable if the CEO is serious about it, and he very much seems to be. I'm more than open to see evidence to the contrary, but until then, I think it's quite wrong and unfair to assume they would be continuing their previous practices.
    - macintux 9y ago
      You're arguing they deserve the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Most people seem to feel they've done enough damage that it's on Uber to prove they're worthy of trust.
    - rgbrenner 9y ago
      Culture is much harder to change than you're making it out to be. The employees are not his subjects that can be bossed around and ordered to behave in a certain manner. That's old school management thinking (from 50+ years ago) that's very ineffective. The culture is one of the hardest things to change once it has been established. It prevents companies from entering certain market segments; from competing in certain ways; from taking certain actions. In a large company, it's so difficult to change, that it's easier and more effective to establish groups outside of the company to pursue new initiatives. For example, this is the reason why AWS is separated from the retail segment inside amazon. Why Walmart won't compete with Nordstrom. And why large companies regularly create subsidiaries to innovate on new ideas or pursue new market segments (and they're often established off-site, so the corporations culture doesn't carry over). GM makes a great example about how difficult that can be. They spent billions on Saturn as an experiment to build a new car company. Later they tried to integrate Saturns success into GM by adopting their culture and other practices... but it didn't matter what the management wanted... Saturn died and GM didn't change. Saturn's culture didn't infect GM--GM successfully killed a culture that tried to change them, even after seeing the success of Saturn.

Steeeve 9y ago

Maybe not. Perfectly within their wheelhouse to provide the one video or version of video that makes them look best.