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> You'd have to see someone crossing the road like that. You could say the same thing about a car with headlights on coming towards you... From the little evid

> You'd have to see someone crossing the road like that. You could say the same thing about a car with headlights on coming towards you... From the little evidence we have it seems like the pedestrian, driver/monitor and the car all should have done better.

danso 9y ago
The pedestrian in this case isn't equipped with computer-activated motors and brakes. Yeah, it would've been best had she not crossed there at all. But that issue is entirely independent of how the AV should perform, assuming that Uber AVs are touted as being significantly safer and faster to react (day or night).
taeric 9y ago
Agreed. Many of us are expecting the machines to do better, by design. Humans will make mistakes. Mistakes will be baked into the designs. Should be just once. And it is surprising to see how limited this first run of sensors apparently is.
brokenmachine 9y ago
That pedestrian obviously didn't have good situational awareness, but are we happy to let self-driving cars mow down any unaware obstacle on the road? Broken-down cars/deer/children/roadworks? Honestly, that video proves to me that this tech is nowhere near ready. That was the most obvious of obstacles and the car did not even slow down. I believe a competent human would have at the very least slowed down in that situation, and likely stopped completely.
- dqpb 9y ago
  > that video proves to me that this tech is nowhere near ready. It proves that Ubers tech is nowhere near ready. Based on all the stupid shit I see Uber engineers saying on Blind app, I have very little faith in their maturity, professionalism, and culture. I would bet that Google is doing a better job than Uber is.
  - drited 9y ago
    Thought you needed an Uber email address to join the Uber Blind app conversation?
    - mrep 9y ago
      He probably means the forums where anyone from any company can participate.
  - Piskvorrr 9y ago
    That could be true, but the perception of the industry is now "OMG OMG KILLER ROBOT CARS ARE UPON US", never mind that other companies are expected to behave far more responsibly. (To compare: Chernobyl was a case of 1. bad design, 2. disabled safeguards, and 3. reckless operators - yet nobody cares of the distinctions, and it has essentially killed nuclear power)
buvanshak 9y ago
It is not uncommon for pedestrian to notice in coming traffic, and still cross the road, in the expectation that the car ll just slow down for them to cross..A human driver, without exception, will slow down in this case. Sadly the same thing might have happened here. The lady took one look before crossing, and expected the car to slow down..
- mrep 9y ago
  > It is not uncommon for pedestrian to notice in coming traffic, and still cross the road, in the expectation that the car ll just slow down for them to cross.. Where do you live because I never see this. That is just asking to get hit by a car. > A human driver, without exception, will slow down in this case. Goverment statistics show this is clearly not the case: https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812124 https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/...
  - et-al 9y ago
    > Where do you live because I never see this. That is just asking to get hit by a car. Probably California. Pedestrians here think man-made laws can override the laws of physics. If you're gonna jaywalk, it's better to assume the car won't stop.

danso 9y ago

The pedestrian in this case isn't equipped with computer-activated motors and brakes. Yeah, it would've been best had she not crossed there at all. But that issue is entirely independent of how the AV should perform, assuming that Uber AVs are touted as being significantly safer and faster to react (day or night).

taeric 9y ago

Agreed. Many of us are expecting the machines to do better, by design. Humans will make mistakes. Mistakes will be baked into the designs. Should be just once. And it is surprising to see how limited this first run of sensors apparently is.

brokenmachine 9y ago

That pedestrian obviously didn't have good situational awareness, but are we happy to let self-driving cars mow down any unaware obstacle on the road? Broken-down cars/deer/children/roadworks? Honestly, that video proves to me that this tech is nowhere near ready. That was the most obvious of obstacles and the car did not even slow down. I believe a competent human would have at the very least slowed down in that situation, and likely stopped completely.

dqpb 9y ago
> that video proves to me that this tech is nowhere near ready. It proves that Ubers tech is nowhere near ready. Based on all the stupid shit I see Uber engineers saying on Blind app, I have very little faith in their maturity, professionalism, and culture. I would bet that Google is doing a better job than Uber is.
- drited 9y ago
  Thought you needed an Uber email address to join the Uber Blind app conversation?
  - mrep 9y ago
    He probably means the forums where anyone from any company can participate.
- Piskvorrr 9y ago
  That could be true, but the perception of the industry is now "OMG OMG KILLER ROBOT CARS ARE UPON US", never mind that other companies are expected to behave far more responsibly. (To compare: Chernobyl was a case of 1. bad design, 2. disabled safeguards, and 3. reckless operators - yet nobody cares of the distinctions, and it has essentially killed nuclear power)

buvanshak 9y ago

It is not uncommon for pedestrian to notice in coming traffic, and still cross the road, in the expectation that the car ll just slow down for them to cross..A human driver, without exception, will slow down in this case. Sadly the same thing might have happened here. The lady took one look before crossing, and expected the car to slow down..

mrep 9y ago
> It is not uncommon for pedestrian to notice in coming traffic, and still cross the road, in the expectation that the car ll just slow down for them to cross.. Where do you live because I never see this. That is just asking to get hit by a car. > A human driver, without exception, will slow down in this case. Goverment statistics show this is clearly not the case: https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812124 https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/...
- et-al 9y ago
  > Where do you live because I never see this. That is just asking to get hit by a car. Probably California. Pedestrians here think man-made laws can override the laws of physics. If you're gonna jaywalk, it's better to assume the car won't stop.