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Sorta like making everything you disagree with Russian?
by jayess 9y ago
Sorta like making everything you disagree with Russian?
- bduerst 9y agoJulian Assange works for RT [1], which is the Russian state propaganda media [2], or was that a rhetorical question? 1. https://www.rt.com/tags/the-julian-assange-show/ https://www.rt.com/tags/the-julian-assange-show/ 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)#Propaganda_claims_and_related_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)#Propaganda_cla...
- jayess 9y agoThat's the entire political discourse these days, isn't it? X had dealing with, or "has connections" to Y, therefore everything Y does can be imputed to X. There's a Russian behind every curtain! They're perhaps the most powerful country on earth! Literally everything (from Bernie to Jill Stein to Trump to the NRA) is Russina backed! ZOMG! I'm guessing you haven't ever read anything about McCarthyism. https://theintercept.com/2017/02/23/the-increasingly-unhinged-russia-rhetoric-comes-from-a-long-standing-u-s-playbook/ https://theintercept.com/2017/02/23/the-increasingly-unhinge...
- frostburg 9y agoNo, it's an element of political discourse that is entirely necessary. Given how cheap and effective this sort of tactic is in the current media and information landscape, why would someone interested in destabilizing a country not do it?
- throwaway7656 9y agoWell, you consider it to be cheap and effective -- in 2018. But back in 2016: Obama said there was “no serious” person who would suggest it was possible to rig American elections, adding, “I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes.” [0] I wonder how public opinion shifted. Back in 2016, the idea of rigging elections with facebook ads was alex-jones-level of tinfoil conspiracy, and now we are discussing it as an obvious, cheap and effective tactic. [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election/obama-tells-trump-to-stop-whining-over-rigged-election-claims-idUSKCN12I27L https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election/obama-tells-...
- frostburg 9y agoYour election in 2000 was stolen with the help of technically faulty (at least) voting machines. The fact that the possibility was considered tinfoil conspiracy in 2016 just means that politicians are rather skilled at reassuring the public. Obama probably felt that he would have damaged the democratic party by saying anything else.
- bduerst 9y ago>Whatabout McCarthyism? What about the founder of Wikileaks working for Russian propaganda media, which is what we're discussing here? I'm not sure what your motivation to deflect on this is.
- ionised 9y agoHow is he deflecting? He's talking about McCarthyism, which is very relevant to the subject at hand.
- bduerst 9y agoBecause it's a false equivalency. Nobody is accusing Julian Assange of something that he isn't guilty of, and it's attempting to change the subject when faced with the facts.
- knodi 9y agoNot everything but Wikileaks for sure.