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Your response only talks about 2008. The 2012 campaign admitted that it sucked data out of facebook. 'The entire social network' in the united states. https://

by jayess 9y ago

Your response only talks about 2008. The 2012 campaign admitted that it sucked data out of facebook. 'The entire social network' in the united states. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1129&v=LGiiQUMaShw https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1129&v=LGiiQUMaS... "They came to office in the days following election recruiting & were very candid that they allowed us to do things they wouldn’t have allowed someone else to do because they were on our side." https://twitter.com/cld276/status/975568208886484997 https://twitter.com/cld276/status/975568208886484997

cryptoz 9y ago
So Obama's campaign violated the Facebook terms of service and illegally used the data they obtained, combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power, and used the user data to spread disinformation and lies about US politics? Is that what you're saying? Because otherwise, the two cases are completely different.
- jayess 9y ago
  Nice goal post moving!
  - cryptoz 9y ago
    > Nice goal post moving! I'm not moving any goal posts. User sverige and everyone else has declined to even mention which "it" is being referred to in this whataboutism of "Obama did it too" stuff. My point is and has always been that there is no comparison to be made here, the usage and methods taken by Obama's campaign are totally simple and small and legal compared to the methods taken by Cambridge Analytica/Facebook/Trump et al. recently.
- throwaway7656 9y ago
  >combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power If you can prove it, Mueller is all ears.
  - cryptoz 9y ago
    Alright, while we wait for physical evidence to be public, I will take the assumption that if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it is probably a duck. With so many Russians already indicted over this and clear money flows recorded from investigative journalism, I think it is quite clear what happened with foreign funds being used from Russia -> NRA, Trump orgs, etc prior to, during and after the election. Edit: I have been banned again from replying to HN comments, I do not understand why but I guess it has to do with a lot of people downvoting me quickly. I don't know. Anyway, here is my reply to the comment below. > CNN I don't understand what the entertainment company CNN is doing in this conversation. They have nothing to do with this? > FUD I am not spreading FUD. I am merely talking about recent news articles in the New York Times and Washington Post. I'm not sure what you mean by FUD here, but surely if there is FUD about it is the FUD that Trump is the legitimate president and that no outsiders or illegal actors had any influence on democracy in the last number of years. That would be the real FUD of the situation.
    - throwaway7656 9y ago
      Exuse me sir, but this approach is well known as "Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt", or FUD in short. It definitely works, meaning it shifts the public opinion, and quite effectively so, but I would rather examine the facts and form my own opinion after such examination. If I ever want to go to the second step without first one, I can always watch some CNN.
  - throwaway5752 9y ago
    Seriously, do you think Mueller is immediately publicizing every finding? Do you not see the pattern of indictments?
- xienze 9y ago
  > So Obama's campaign violated the Facebook terms of service and illegally used the data they obtained By a campaign staffer’s admission, Facebook personally told them that what they were doing was not OK so... yes? > combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power Is this a new talking point? Russia financed the Trump campaign now?
  - jayess 9y ago
    It's not new, now literally everything to do with anyone or anything that's not left-wing SJW is now RUSSIAN!

by jayess 9y ago

cryptoz 9y ago

So Obama's campaign violated the Facebook terms of service and illegally used the data they obtained, combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power, and used the user data to spread disinformation and lies about US politics? Is that what you're saying? Because otherwise, the two cases are completely different.

jayess 9y ago
Nice goal post moving!
- cryptoz 9y ago
  > Nice goal post moving! I'm not moving any goal posts. User sverige and everyone else has declined to even mention which "it" is being referred to in this whataboutism of "Obama did it too" stuff. My point is and has always been that there is no comparison to be made here, the usage and methods taken by Obama's campaign are totally simple and small and legal compared to the methods taken by Cambridge Analytica/Facebook/Trump et al. recently.
throwaway7656 9y ago
>combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power If you can prove it, Mueller is all ears.
- cryptoz 9y ago
  Alright, while we wait for physical evidence to be public, I will take the assumption that if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it is probably a duck. With so many Russians already indicted over this and clear money flows recorded from investigative journalism, I think it is quite clear what happened with foreign funds being used from Russia -> NRA, Trump orgs, etc prior to, during and after the election. Edit: I have been banned again from replying to HN comments, I do not understand why but I guess it has to do with a lot of people downvoting me quickly. I don't know. Anyway, here is my reply to the comment below. > CNN I don't understand what the entertainment company CNN is doing in this conversation. They have nothing to do with this? > FUD I am not spreading FUD. I am merely talking about recent news articles in the New York Times and Washington Post. I'm not sure what you mean by FUD here, but surely if there is FUD about it is the FUD that Trump is the legitimate president and that no outsiders or illegal actors had any influence on democracy in the last number of years. That would be the real FUD of the situation.
  - throwaway7656 9y ago
    Exuse me sir, but this approach is well known as "Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt", or FUD in short. It definitely works, meaning it shifts the public opinion, and quite effectively so, but I would rather examine the facts and form my own opinion after such examination. If I ever want to go to the second step without first one, I can always watch some CNN.
- throwaway5752 9y ago
  Seriously, do you think Mueller is immediately publicizing every finding? Do you not see the pattern of indictments?
xienze 9y ago
> So Obama's campaign violated the Facebook terms of service and illegally used the data they obtained By a campaign staffer’s admission, Facebook personally told them that what they were doing was not OK so... yes? > combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power Is this a new talking point? Russia financed the Trump campaign now?
- jayess 9y ago
  It's not new, now literally everything to do with anyone or anything that's not left-wing SJW is now RUSSIAN!