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All I want is Mark Zuckerberg to say is "this isn't a community, we're a multi billion dollar company. We have a pretty cool website where you can do a bunch of

All I want is Mark Zuckerberg to say is "this isn't a community, we're a multi billion dollar company. We have a pretty cool website where you can do a bunch of stuff, and we mine your personal data (and sell it) to pay for it. Sound like a good deal? We think so." But no, we've got to pretend Facebook is a touchy-feely community. I get the feeling that Facebook is ashamed of the way they make their billions.

rock_hard 9y ago
Why do you have such a hard time believing that he is well intended? You seem lost in a false narrative that he is out to get you :( I challenge you to rethink your position assuming he means well...just for the fun of it...and share with us what your conclusion would be
- croshan 9y ago
  You're talking about the same guy who said: > Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard > Zuck: Just ask > Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS > [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? > Zuck: People just submitted it. > Zuck: I don't know why. > Zuck: They "trust me" > Zuck: Dumb fucks If you actually do think he means well, you're a very nice person. Or incredibly delusional.
  - askafriend 9y ago
    Stop repeating this meme. It's not productive and doesn't help drive the conversation forward in any way. He said those things when he was 19 years old and Facebook was still a random side project in college. And yes people were indeed "dumb fucks" to give a random college kid with a side project their personal information. If you went around Walmart and asked people for their SSNs with no value proposition, then they would indeed be dumb as well. The $400 billion company that Facebook is now and the growth a person goes through over decades of being a CEO and managing people is significant. For you to bring up something the guy said when he was a kid is disingenuous and does more to harm any point you may have had than help it.
    - noisy_boy 9y ago
      Exactly. He was 19, didn't have a army of PR/lawyers acting as filters between his mouth and brain. Now his words (especially crisis-time statements) are shaped by a team of professionals. I think I would pay more attention to the former to get an insight into his "real" thoughts.
      - askafriend 9y ago
        Have you actually talked to a 19yr old recently? Serious question. Because you seem to lack serious perspective about how a 19yo acts, thinks, or behaves when adults aren’t around. Also can you explain to me how people submitting personal information to a random form from a college kid is not dumb? Facebook the product didn’t even exist at that point by the way and the information collected was more like email address, nothing really more nefarious than that.
        saiya-jin 9y ago
        People don't change that much. Amoral asshole will still amoral asshole when he is 19, 42 or 91. We don't talk about 5 year old kid who is defining the basics of his personality and hasn't experienced the world at all. Exception might happen, but they are truly unicorny exceptions with some proper shocks triggering changes, and usually for the worse (ie incidents with serious health damage). Facebook is an amoral company with amoral aspects of the ways they conclude business. You can dance with the words as long as you like, but can't change this simple fact. It ain't result of a single issue or accident, but years and years of crappy behavior of this company. Most people here agree with this sentiment. I don't get why people consider him better than other ultra rich who live in their own reality bubbles. Because he wears hoody? Is it really so hard to accept? Seriously, he is just another arrogant asshole (who got lucky with the right idea at the right time), not because he is rich, simply because he is who he is.
        dingaling 9y ago
        > Have you actually talked to a 19yr old recently? Yes, most of my intake into the military were 18 and 19. As a society we consider them adult enough to send them into harm's way. I was the Old Man at 31. Your defence seems to be based on the premise that 19 year olds are children. No aspect of law or society concurs with that.

rock_hard 9y ago

Why do you have such a hard time believing that he is well intended? You seem lost in a false narrative that he is out to get you :( I challenge you to rethink your position assuming he means well...just for the fun of it...and share with us what your conclusion would be

croshan 9y ago
You're talking about the same guy who said: > Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard > Zuck: Just ask > Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS > [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? > Zuck: People just submitted it. > Zuck: I don't know why. > Zuck: They "trust me" > Zuck: Dumb fucks If you actually do think he means well, you're a very nice person. Or incredibly delusional.
- askafriend 9y ago
  Stop repeating this meme. It's not productive and doesn't help drive the conversation forward in any way. He said those things when he was 19 years old and Facebook was still a random side project in college. And yes people were indeed "dumb fucks" to give a random college kid with a side project their personal information. If you went around Walmart and asked people for their SSNs with no value proposition, then they would indeed be dumb as well. The $400 billion company that Facebook is now and the growth a person goes through over decades of being a CEO and managing people is significant. For you to bring up something the guy said when he was a kid is disingenuous and does more to harm any point you may have had than help it.
  - noisy_boy 9y ago
    Exactly. He was 19, didn't have a army of PR/lawyers acting as filters between his mouth and brain. Now his words (especially crisis-time statements) are shaped by a team of professionals. I think I would pay more attention to the former to get an insight into his "real" thoughts.
    - askafriend 9y ago
      Have you actually talked to a 19yr old recently? Serious question. Because you seem to lack serious perspective about how a 19yo acts, thinks, or behaves when adults aren’t around. Also can you explain to me how people submitting personal information to a random form from a college kid is not dumb? Facebook the product didn’t even exist at that point by the way and the information collected was more like email address, nothing really more nefarious than that.
      - saiya-jin 9y ago
        People don't change that much. Amoral asshole will still amoral asshole when he is 19, 42 or 91. We don't talk about 5 year old kid who is defining the basics of his personality and hasn't experienced the world at all. Exception might happen, but they are truly unicorny exceptions with some proper shocks triggering changes, and usually for the worse (ie incidents with serious health damage). Facebook is an amoral company with amoral aspects of the ways they conclude business. You can dance with the words as long as you like, but can't change this simple fact. It ain't result of a single issue or accident, but years and years of crappy behavior of this company. Most people here agree with this sentiment. I don't get why people consider him better than other ultra rich who live in their own reality bubbles. Because he wears hoody? Is it really so hard to accept? Seriously, he is just another arrogant asshole (who got lucky with the right idea at the right time), not because he is rich, simply because he is who he is.
      - dingaling 9y ago
        > Have you actually talked to a 19yr old recently? Yes, most of my intake into the military were 18 and 19. As a society we consider them adult enough to send them into harm's way. I was the Old Man at 31. Your defence seems to be based on the premise that 19 year olds are children. No aspect of law or society concurs with that.