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The article starts with putting Jordan Peterson in the same cohort as Alex Jones and crisis actors conspiracy peddlers. I’m not a Peterson fan, but those kind o

by rwz 9y ago

The article starts with putting Jordan Peterson in the same cohort as Alex Jones and crisis actors conspiracy peddlers. I’m not a Peterson fan, but those kind of comparisons strike me as extremely misinformed and dishonest, and undermines the whole credibility of the article by a lot

TimJYoung 9y ago
Yeah, that struck me as odd, also. Whatever your feelings are about Jordan Peterson, he's definitely not in the same camp as Alex Jones.
wincy 9y ago
A lot of links are just other stories written by the same author, as well. Pretty clearly has an agenda. I’ll say it. Jordan Peterson has been a positive influence in my life. I’ve watched hundreds of hours of his lectures on YouTube. I started a book club to read his recommended books such as Gulag Archipelago, Brave New World, 1984, and The Rape of Nanking. It has been a difficult and important experience for me. Reading Dostoyevsky was eye opening, if just for the fact that as much as people change, we stay the same, and the Communists were using some of the same idealistic arguments for changing the world in 1860s Russia that they are now. The idea that we are simply products of social conditioning, the tabula rasa and nothing more, the victims of our upbringing, were all central tenants in the severity of punishments for people being sent to Gulag in the Soviet Union. Prostitution was 3 years and being a nun was 10 Years. It technically wasn’t illegal to be a Christian, but teaching your children Christian values was! Families were purposely torn apart. I guess the point I’m trying to make is that learning more history, and just how badly things can go wrong, is very important and anyone who encourages people to seek out that history on their own is good in my book.
- snowpanda 9y ago
  The downvotes of your comment once again confirm how tolerant HN is of different opinions. The people downvoting you are the same people who call themselves progressive and open-minded. As long as they agree with it of course.
danso 9y ago
Not a Jordan Peterson fan but don't think you should've been downvoted for complaining about the comparisons.
Falling3 9y ago
Peterson galvanizes the alt-right and he also pushes ridiculous conspiracy theories. His conspiracy theories are much more mundane than the likes of Alex Jones and crisis actors proponents, but that likely makes him more dangerous. I'd say he very much belongs there.
- e9 9y ago
  "pushes ridiculous conspiracy theories", can you give an example?
  - pedro_hab 9y ago
    I don't get what's going on here, people getting downvoted, what has Peterson said that was that bad? I heard he telling people to clean their rooms, and people getting offended by it. I'd like to get enlighten on how is he in the same camp as Alex Jones. Even then, I would bet Alex Jones and alt-right are not the only ones buying views, that shows the article is biased and HN too for that matter.
  - Falling3 9y ago
    The claim that google was altering their search results to show more plus-sized women for "political correctness". His seemingly constant assertions that Marxist academics are out to destroy society. Most of his discussions around Bill C 16 and Free Speech in general.
    - pedro_hab 9y ago
      > google was altering their search results Hnm, I think google is somewhat biased, but I can agree that this claim is weird, is it that bad though? > Marxist academics are out to destroy society History speaks for itself > Bill C 16 and Free Speech Kinda ties back to the Marxists, every video I've seen he said he would call trans with whatever pronoun they like, he opposes the government creating speech laws, which I think is a valid argument.
    - OCASM 9y ago
      Is he wrong though?
madeuptempacct 9y ago
I know a guy who makes videos pointing out the errors in Peterson's logic - I didn't even know who Peterson was, but it's funny how rabid his supporters are, like you.
CWuestefeld 9y ago
I don't even know who he is, but the blatant politicization of the issue immediately turned me off to the whole article.

by rwz 9y ago

TimJYoung 9y ago

Yeah, that struck me as odd, also. Whatever your feelings are about Jordan Peterson, he's definitely not in the same camp as Alex Jones.

wincy 9y ago

A lot of links are just other stories written by the same author, as well. Pretty clearly has an agenda. I’ll say it. Jordan Peterson has been a positive influence in my life. I’ve watched hundreds of hours of his lectures on YouTube. I started a book club to read his recommended books such as Gulag Archipelago, Brave New World, 1984, and The Rape of Nanking. It has been a difficult and important experience for me. Reading Dostoyevsky was eye opening, if just for the fact that as much as people change, we stay the same, and the Communists were using some of the same idealistic arguments for changing the world in 1860s Russia that they are now. The idea that we are simply products of social conditioning, the tabula rasa and nothing more, the victims of our upbringing, were all central tenants in the severity of punishments for people being sent to Gulag in the Soviet Union. Prostitution was 3 years and being a nun was 10 Years. It technically wasn’t illegal to be a Christian, but teaching your children Christian values was! Families were purposely torn apart. I guess the point I’m trying to make is that learning more history, and just how badly things can go wrong, is very important and anyone who encourages people to seek out that history on their own is good in my book.

snowpanda 9y ago
The downvotes of your comment once again confirm how tolerant HN is of different opinions. The people downvoting you are the same people who call themselves progressive and open-minded. As long as they agree with it of course.

danso 9y ago

Not a Jordan Peterson fan but don't think you should've been downvoted for complaining about the comparisons.

Falling3 9y ago

Peterson galvanizes the alt-right and he also pushes ridiculous conspiracy theories. His conspiracy theories are much more mundane than the likes of Alex Jones and crisis actors proponents, but that likely makes him more dangerous. I'd say he very much belongs there.

e9 9y ago
"pushes ridiculous conspiracy theories", can you give an example?
- pedro_hab 9y ago
  I don't get what's going on here, people getting downvoted, what has Peterson said that was that bad? I heard he telling people to clean their rooms, and people getting offended by it. I'd like to get enlighten on how is he in the same camp as Alex Jones. Even then, I would bet Alex Jones and alt-right are not the only ones buying views, that shows the article is biased and HN too for that matter.
- Falling3 9y ago
  The claim that google was altering their search results to show more plus-sized women for "political correctness". His seemingly constant assertions that Marxist academics are out to destroy society. Most of his discussions around Bill C 16 and Free Speech in general.
  - pedro_hab 9y ago
    > google was altering their search results Hnm, I think google is somewhat biased, but I can agree that this claim is weird, is it that bad though? > Marxist academics are out to destroy society History speaks for itself > Bill C 16 and Free Speech Kinda ties back to the Marxists, every video I've seen he said he would call trans with whatever pronoun they like, he opposes the government creating speech laws, which I think is a valid argument.
  - OCASM 9y ago
    Is he wrong though?

madeuptempacct 9y ago

I know a guy who makes videos pointing out the errors in Peterson's logic - I didn't even know who Peterson was, but it's funny how rabid his supporters are, like you.

CWuestefeld 9y ago

I don't even know who he is, but the blatant politicization of the issue immediately turned me off to the whole article.