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Comments like yours are tiring an meaningless. Facebook and Google have their tentacles in nearly everything. If you want to get a message out, it's going to

Comments like yours are tiring an meaningless. Facebook and Google have their tentacles in nearly everything. If you want to get a message out, it's going to intersect with their platforms in some way, even if you're directly criticizing them. AFAIK, there are no purist corners at this time that attract enough eyeballs.

kolbe 9y ago
"Tiring and meaningless" eh? As opposed to your meaningful and engaging strawman reply? Even if it were true that an essay or article couldn't be disseminated effectively without Facebook getting involved at some point, it doesn't mean that readers must be burdened with a popup that asks them to log in to Facebook before viewing.
- Slansitartop 9y ago
  It seems nearly every single post where someone suggests people delete their Facebook accounts always has some comment pointing out that the NYT, or Medium, or whatever the article was published has a Facebook share widget or something like that. IMHO, those comments might as well be "First Post!" for all they add. > it doesn't mean that readers must be burdened with a popup that asks them to log in to Facebook before viewing. The first step to that world is getting people off Facebook so it's not so ubiquitous that making a request like that seems reasonable.
  - elago 9y ago
    This comment thread is taking place on site with no (obvious or well known) google or facebook integrations. Honest question, do you think the same content with same title with a different domain rather than 'medium.com' could not reach similar popularity on HN? Any comment pointing out hypocrisy is valuable and interesting in my opinion. I prefer to disregard the opinions of hypocrites.
    - Slansitartop 9y ago
      > Any comment pointing out hypocrisy is valuable and interesting in my opinion. I prefer to disregard the opinions of hypocrites. That's actually a pretty closed minded position. I don't think there's a single person who isn't a hypocrite in some small way, even ascetics living alone in the desert. You'll disregard all of them? Hypocrisy doesn't logically invalidate anyone's arguments or positions, those need to be evaluated on their own. If they make good points but fail to live up to them, it only demonstrates their own personal moral failings. But I think it's also a mistake to count "publishing something about deleting Facebook on a website with a Facebook integration" as hypocrisy. Authors usually aren't the ones making implementation decisions of the platforms the publish on, and are probably not even aware of most of them. > Honest question, do you think the same content with same title with a different domain rather than 'medium.com' could not reach similar popularity on HN? HN isn't the world. I think it's a waste of time for an author to make the avoidance of publishing platforms with Facebook integrations a priority. It would be an act of foolish, unpragmatic purism, akin to a lot of the stuff Richard Stallman does. It's more important that they argue persuasively and widely to convince the implementors to avoid such integrations.
  - kolbe 9y ago
    > IMHO If you need to preface a comment with 'IMHO', especially when your HO is just a dressed up and unsubstantiated insult, it's probably an indication that what you're about to say will add zero value to Hacker News.
    - Slansitartop 9y ago
      I know I would have been happy if this whole thread never existed, but alas, the root comment came to be.
      - kolbe 9y ago
        > Alas, the root comment came to be Dude, you are insufferable. Quit being so pretentious and passive aggressive, and you won't have to nuke your HN account every few months and start fresh.

kolbe 9y ago

"Tiring and meaningless" eh? As opposed to your meaningful and engaging strawman reply? Even if it were true that an essay or article couldn't be disseminated effectively without Facebook getting involved at some point, it doesn't mean that readers must be burdened with a popup that asks them to log in to Facebook before viewing.

Slansitartop 9y ago
It seems nearly every single post where someone suggests people delete their Facebook accounts always has some comment pointing out that the NYT, or Medium, or whatever the article was published has a Facebook share widget or something like that. IMHO, those comments might as well be "First Post!" for all they add. > it doesn't mean that readers must be burdened with a popup that asks them to log in to Facebook before viewing. The first step to that world is getting people off Facebook so it's not so ubiquitous that making a request like that seems reasonable.
- elago 9y ago
  This comment thread is taking place on site with no (obvious or well known) google or facebook integrations. Honest question, do you think the same content with same title with a different domain rather than 'medium.com' could not reach similar popularity on HN? Any comment pointing out hypocrisy is valuable and interesting in my opinion. I prefer to disregard the opinions of hypocrites.
  - Slansitartop 9y ago
    > Any comment pointing out hypocrisy is valuable and interesting in my opinion. I prefer to disregard the opinions of hypocrites. That's actually a pretty closed minded position. I don't think there's a single person who isn't a hypocrite in some small way, even ascetics living alone in the desert. You'll disregard all of them? Hypocrisy doesn't logically invalidate anyone's arguments or positions, those need to be evaluated on their own. If they make good points but fail to live up to them, it only demonstrates their own personal moral failings. But I think it's also a mistake to count "publishing something about deleting Facebook on a website with a Facebook integration" as hypocrisy. Authors usually aren't the ones making implementation decisions of the platforms the publish on, and are probably not even aware of most of them. > Honest question, do you think the same content with same title with a different domain rather than 'medium.com' could not reach similar popularity on HN? HN isn't the world. I think it's a waste of time for an author to make the avoidance of publishing platforms with Facebook integrations a priority. It would be an act of foolish, unpragmatic purism, akin to a lot of the stuff Richard Stallman does. It's more important that they argue persuasively and widely to convince the implementors to avoid such integrations.
- kolbe 9y ago
  > IMHO If you need to preface a comment with 'IMHO', especially when your HO is just a dressed up and unsubstantiated insult, it's probably an indication that what you're about to say will add zero value to Hacker News.
  - Slansitartop 9y ago
    I know I would have been happy if this whole thread never existed, but alas, the root comment came to be.
    - kolbe 9y ago
      > Alas, the root comment came to be Dude, you are insufferable. Quit being so pretentious and passive aggressive, and you won't have to nuke your HN account every few months and start fresh.