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I'm too young to remember the first cold war, but it seems totally insane to me that Russia is carrying out repeated war crimes routinely now, and the West is l

by slivym 9y ago

I'm too young to remember the first cold war, but it seems totally insane to me that Russia is carrying out repeated war crimes routinely now, and the West is literally doing nothing to address it.

pjc50 9y ago
It is horrendous. I suspect the reason it's not addressed is that Russia has a list of alleged war crimes carried out by Western-supported forces, and so long as the victims are mostly Arab the West doesn't care.
dmichulke 9y ago
It's not insane if you consider the West is doing the very same thing (committing war crimes) but Western media doesn't report in the same way about it. Just check what the Americans did in Iraq, whom they deliver their weapons in Syria to, ... One thing I always ask myself: The war in Syria is basically won by the regime, so why the heck would they now resort to bombing hospitals and C-weapon attacks on the population? It just doesn't make sense so that's why I am very cautious here. This is not to say that Russia is good and the US is bad, it's just that "The first casualty of War is Truth"
- knowThySelfx 9y ago
  Indeed, people have become skeptical of the mainstream narrative. Why does that happen? Because things don't add up.
  - fdsak 9y ago
    mainstream narrative is nothing more than propaganda and any human with little brain can easily find the facts.
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- 220V_USKettle 9y ago
  "Reichstag Fire"?
- hutzlibu 9y ago
  ", it's just that "The first casualty of War is Truth"" And that with the war on terror, we are in war constantly since 2001. But apparently this was not enough and we need the old enemy again.
WHoWHo 9y ago
Like the US is carrying out repeated war crimes and the West does nothing - or the "East" for that matter. If something goes to court in the US if it even does, punishment is light [2] and pushed down to the lowest levels (Lynndie England got 2 years [1]). Or pushed by the president (Drone kills without a declaration of war). If you have nuclear weapons and a large defence budget, you can do whatever you like to other countries. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse#Convictions_of_soldiers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre#Officers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre#Officers
- icebraining 9y ago
  Drone kills without a declaration of war That's not a war crime in itself.
  - fdsak 9y ago
    That's not a war crime in itself. Do you want to be get hurt by it ? I am not suggesting, but that is still killing and trespassing international boundaries .
  - chopin 9y ago
    Last I checked waging war without declaring one is a war crime.
    - icebraining 9y ago
      Can you check again? Where is that defined as a war crime?
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      - yorwba 9y ago
        The Hague Convention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relative_to_the_Opening_of_Hostilities#Hague_Convention_of_1907 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relative_to_the_Ope...
slowmotiony 9y ago
Probably because it's propaganda.
fdsak 9y ago
West has done too much in the middle east that we are here. It was West to find WMD, CMDs and to install so-called democracy here and there, it was not Russia. I think Russian is doing the necessary cleanup the West as made.
EliRivers 9y ago
I went to a private talk in the last few days presented by an experienced member of the UK Foreign Office; said speaker regularly advises ministers and the Foreign Minister. The question of Russia came up very strongly, and as I understand it (everything that follows is effectively what that speaker said) the feeling is that they're going to just keep doing things, testing the limits, seeing what they can do without repercussion. The deployment of chemical weapons on the streets of the UK in peacetime (which, the talker suggested, would have been absolutely off the table during the Cold War) is just another step in seeing how far the West can be pushed without doing anything. Shielding the government of Syria so they can routinely deploy chemical weapons in their civil war is another example; Russia will just keep taking liberties until they find where the limit is (if there is a limit). Not so long ago, the deployment of chemical weapons was considered a very serious thing; Russia has put them back on the table while the West sits on its hands. I have to wonder if there is a limit, or if we will continue to put prosperity above security to the point that Russia has free reign to do what it likes (up until it runs into someone who will object, beyond Europe).
- DaiPlusPlus 9y ago
  But to what end? What is their endgame? The USSR testing boundaries in the Cold War made sense because they needed real data for their concrete plans to cross the Rhine and conquer Western Europe - that’s what the Cold War was all about! Now it’s 2018 and I know Russia has lost their designs on Germany and France and seem primarily motivated to maintain a buffer territory, but testing limits is only going to move Russia’s neighbors into NATO - whereas if they at least played-by-the-rules and not acted so hostile and belligerent then it’s possivle they’d still hold a far more legitimate sway over eastern Ukraine and maybe even the Balkans.
  - 220V_USKettle 9y ago
    "There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!" -Cosmo
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dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
Is there any proof that it was Russia? Anything, even a shred of evidence? I see only a weasel expression "believed to" - not explaining by who and why.
- fdsak 9y ago
  These dirty trick they always play when they see that fair play will not given them any advantage in their economical and political goals. All the yardsticks they use be superior are b.s now I think, like democracy, freedom of press/speech, human rights etc. Instead they are least democratic and free states run by conglomerate of capitalist like selling their rights with soap and diapers.
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by slivym 9y ago

I'm too young to remember the first cold war, but it seems totally insane to me that Russia is carrying out repeated war crimes routinely now, and the West is literally doing nothing to address it.

pjc50 9y ago

It is horrendous. I suspect the reason it's not addressed is that Russia has a list of alleged war crimes carried out by Western-supported forces, and so long as the victims are mostly Arab the West doesn't care.

dmichulke 9y ago

It's not insane if you consider the West is doing the very same thing (committing war crimes) but Western media doesn't report in the same way about it. Just check what the Americans did in Iraq, whom they deliver their weapons in Syria to, ... One thing I always ask myself: The war in Syria is basically won by the regime, so why the heck would they now resort to bombing hospitals and C-weapon attacks on the population? It just doesn't make sense so that's why I am very cautious here. This is not to say that Russia is good and the US is bad, it's just that "The first casualty of War is Truth"

knowThySelfx 9y ago
Indeed, people have become skeptical of the mainstream narrative. Why does that happen? Because things don't add up.
- fdsak 9y ago
  mainstream narrative is nothing more than propaganda and any human with little brain can easily find the facts.
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220V_USKettle 9y ago
"Reichstag Fire"?
hutzlibu 9y ago
", it's just that "The first casualty of War is Truth"" And that with the war on terror, we are in war constantly since 2001. But apparently this was not enough and we need the old enemy again.

WHoWHo 9y ago

Like the US is carrying out repeated war crimes and the West does nothing - or the "East" for that matter. If something goes to court in the US if it even does, punishment is light [2] and pushed down to the lowest levels (Lynndie England got 2 years [1]). Or pushed by the president (Drone kills without a declaration of war). If you have nuclear weapons and a large defence budget, you can do whatever you like to other countries. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse#Convictions_of_soldiers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre#Officers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre#Officers

icebraining 9y ago
Drone kills without a declaration of war That's not a war crime in itself.
- fdsak 9y ago
  That's not a war crime in itself. Do you want to be get hurt by it ? I am not suggesting, but that is still killing and trespassing international boundaries .
- chopin 9y ago
  Last I checked waging war without declaring one is a war crime.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    Can you check again? Where is that defined as a war crime?
    - deleted 9y ago
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    - yorwba 9y ago
      The Hague Convention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relative_to_the_Opening_of_Hostilities#Hague_Convention_of_1907 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relative_to_the_Ope...

slowmotiony 9y ago

Probably because it's propaganda.

fdsak 9y ago

West has done too much in the middle east that we are here. It was West to find WMD, CMDs and to install so-called democracy here and there, it was not Russia. I think Russian is doing the necessary cleanup the West as made.

EliRivers 9y ago

I went to a private talk in the last few days presented by an experienced member of the UK Foreign Office; said speaker regularly advises ministers and the Foreign Minister. The question of Russia came up very strongly, and as I understand it (everything that follows is effectively what that speaker said) the feeling is that they're going to just keep doing things, testing the limits, seeing what they can do without repercussion. The deployment of chemical weapons on the streets of the UK in peacetime (which, the talker suggested, would have been absolutely off the table during the Cold War) is just another step in seeing how far the West can be pushed without doing anything. Shielding the government of Syria so they can routinely deploy chemical weapons in their civil war is another example; Russia will just keep taking liberties until they find where the limit is (if there is a limit). Not so long ago, the deployment of chemical weapons was considered a very serious thing; Russia has put them back on the table while the West sits on its hands. I have to wonder if there is a limit, or if we will continue to put prosperity above security to the point that Russia has free reign to do what it likes (up until it runs into someone who will object, beyond Europe).

DaiPlusPlus 9y ago
But to what end? What is their endgame? The USSR testing boundaries in the Cold War made sense because they needed real data for their concrete plans to cross the Rhine and conquer Western Europe - that’s what the Cold War was all about! Now it’s 2018 and I know Russia has lost their designs on Germany and France and seem primarily motivated to maintain a buffer territory, but testing limits is only going to move Russia’s neighbors into NATO - whereas if they at least played-by-the-rules and not acted so hostile and belligerent then it’s possivle they’d still hold a far more legitimate sway over eastern Ukraine and maybe even the Balkans.
- 220V_USKettle 9y ago
  "There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!" -Cosmo
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dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago

Is there any proof that it was Russia? Anything, even a shred of evidence? I see only a weasel expression "believed to" - not explaining by who and why.

fdsak 9y ago
These dirty trick they always play when they see that fair play will not given them any advantage in their economical and political goals. All the yardsticks they use be superior are b.s now I think, like democracy, freedom of press/speech, human rights etc. Instead they are least democratic and free states run by conglomerate of capitalist like selling their rights with soap and diapers.

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