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Moral indignity? Murder? Person? It looks like we have vastly different definitions of each of these words. Scaremongering with no basis in reality is closer to

Moral indignity? Murder? Person? It looks like we have vastly different definitions of each of these words. Scaremongering with no basis in reality is closer to noise than it is to signal.

mjh2539 9y ago
Watch out, I'm about to "scaremonger": 1. Murder is the intentional killing of an innocent, human life. 2. Embryos are innocent, human, and alive. 3. Intentionally killing an embryo is murder. What are you definitions for "murder" or "embryo"? How exactly is any of this "not based in reality"? Please engage with me on a rational level. Give definitions. Give an argument. This is what I'm trying to do. I'm not: a: using ad hominims: "scaremonger" b: begging the question: "no basis in reality" c: ignoring the content of your comment
- Filligree 9y ago
  I'd contend that (a) it's still murder even if the victim isn't innocent, and (b) embryos aren't human. Especially the sort of early-stage embryo used here. There wouldn't be even a hint of a brain.
- bildung 9y ago
  By that definition the usage of condoms is murder, too, as their usage means intentionally killing ovocytes, which are innocent, human, and alive. But it doesn't stop there! Following that logic, not getting every single fertile girl and woman forcibly pregrant every 28 days is murder, too! Otherwise, all those ovocytes will die. Somewhere in the syllogism you postulated has to be a logical flaw.
  - ksk 9y ago
    Actually, It is you whose logic is faulty here. Life (according to the commentator) begins when an embryo is fertilized.
    - bildung 9y ago
      Murder starts at a single fertilized cell?
      - ksk 9y ago
        Not in my opinion, but maybe the question should be asked to the parent comment you replied to.
- matchbok 9y ago
  1. Correct. 2. Incorrect. 3. Incorrect. An embryo is completely dependent on another life to live. Nobody has the right to enslave another person against his/her will. Try again.
- ksk 9y ago
  You should make a distinction between life, independent life, and "potential future person(s)". Also :- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginning_of_human_personhood#Biological_markers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginning_of_human_personhood#...

Moral indignity? Murder? Person? It looks like we have vastly different definitions of each of these words. Scaremongering with no basis in reality is closer to noise than it is to signal.

mjh2539 9y ago

Watch out, I'm about to "scaremonger": 1. Murder is the intentional killing of an innocent, human life. 2. Embryos are innocent, human, and alive. 3. Intentionally killing an embryo is murder. What are you definitions for "murder" or "embryo"? How exactly is any of this "not based in reality"? Please engage with me on a rational level. Give definitions. Give an argument. This is what I'm trying to do. I'm not: a: using ad hominims: "scaremonger" b: begging the question: "no basis in reality" c: ignoring the content of your comment

Filligree 9y ago
I'd contend that (a) it's still murder even if the victim isn't innocent, and (b) embryos aren't human. Especially the sort of early-stage embryo used here. There wouldn't be even a hint of a brain.
bildung 9y ago
By that definition the usage of condoms is murder, too, as their usage means intentionally killing ovocytes, which are innocent, human, and alive. But it doesn't stop there! Following that logic, not getting every single fertile girl and woman forcibly pregrant every 28 days is murder, too! Otherwise, all those ovocytes will die. Somewhere in the syllogism you postulated has to be a logical flaw.
- ksk 9y ago
  Actually, It is you whose logic is faulty here. Life (according to the commentator) begins when an embryo is fertilized.
  - bildung 9y ago
    Murder starts at a single fertilized cell?
    - ksk 9y ago
      Not in my opinion, but maybe the question should be asked to the parent comment you replied to.
matchbok 9y ago
1. Correct. 2. Incorrect. 3. Incorrect. An embryo is completely dependent on another life to live. Nobody has the right to enslave another person against his/her will. Try again.
ksk 9y ago
You should make a distinction between life, independent life, and "potential future person(s)". Also :- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginning_of_human_personhood#Biological_markers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginning_of_human_personhood#...