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Does Telegram even have access to these?
by Grangar 9y ago
Does Telegram even have access to these?
- ryanlol 9y agoTelegram is not end-to-end encrypted, so yes.
- nahumfarchi 9y agoI'm very surprised by this. What about WhatsApp and other messaging apps?
- bjoli 9y agoWhatsApp is e2e by default. As is Signal, Wire, Threema (although Threema has no forward secrecy) and iMessage (which has no way of verifying keys, which makes it useless to the end user).
- dbrgn 9y agoThreema doesn't have forward secrecy on the message encryption layer, but it does on the network transport protocol layer.
- bjoli 9y agoWhich means that the server or any malicious person on the server could just save your messages and decrypt them all at a later date.
- dbrgn 9y agoTheoretically yes, but for that the end user would have to get his private key stolen by someone with undetected server access or someone would have to break the XSalsa20 cipher.
- unicornporn 9y agoIt is not E2EE by default, but the "secure chat" feature is E2EE.
- ryanlol 9y agoWhich is hardly worth mentioning. Nobody ever uses the “secure chat” feature, it’s not supported by the clients and it’s not what people mean when they say “Telegram”. The Durovs sell their app on it’s “encryption”, while simultaneously going out of their way to make sure nobody uses that feature.
- unicornporn 9y agoYou are 100% correct about this.