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I don't understand why to you, population rise implies migration. Africa (currently) has a lower population density than Europe or Asia. We know people can sus

by lukev 9y ago

I don't understand why to you, population rise implies migration. Africa (currently) has a lower population density than Europe or Asia. We know people can sustainably live at much higher densities than Africans currently do. The drivers behind migration are global inequality and conflict. If you want to reduce migration, start there. Isolationism and closed borders will only ultimately lead to more humanitarian crises, and more migration pressure.

bilbo0s 9y ago
True. Even a place like Congo is, geographically, the size of Western Europe, with about 1/6th the population. Over population isn't really an issue in sub-saharan africa, conflict is.
VLM 9y ago
Can't grow enough food at current cultural level, and improving the cultural level is seen as imperialism. Poverty to the point of famine is permanent in Africa.
- jlg23 9y ago
  The creation of educational institutions and accessible healthcare is part of probably every investment deal in large parts if Africa. The question seems to be wether those deals are crafted with both parties on eye level or wether they are imposed by one party.
craftyguy 9y ago
> We know people can sustainably live at much higher densities than Africans currently do. Really? What are some places where people live sustainably at higher densities and at the same scale? 3 people sharing a sustainable farm doesn't count. You also have to account for the cities, which consume vastly more resources and produce vastly more waste.
- nsp 9y ago
  Cities are almost always wildly more efficient on a per capita basis than rural regions due to economies of scale.
  - craftyguy 9y ago
    Yet, there are no sustainable cities. They still depend on vast supply chains that flow far outside their borders for resources and waste disposal.
vixen99 9y ago
Given the benefit payments offered in certain European countries, why should migration stop at all if you have open borders? In Greece 86% and in Italy 80% in polls want fewer immigrants allowed into their countries. More than 50% in the United Kingdom and in France plus 47% in Spain agree. How do you deal with this, ignore these voices?
badpun 9y ago
Africa has much less percentage of arable land than Europe or Asia: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.LND.ARBL.ZS?type=shaded&view=map https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.LND.ARBL.ZS?type=sha...

by lukev 9y ago

bilbo0s 9y ago

True. Even a place like Congo is, geographically, the size of Western Europe, with about 1/6th the population. Over population isn't really an issue in sub-saharan africa, conflict is.

VLM 9y ago

Can't grow enough food at current cultural level, and improving the cultural level is seen as imperialism. Poverty to the point of famine is permanent in Africa.

jlg23 9y ago
The creation of educational institutions and accessible healthcare is part of probably every investment deal in large parts if Africa. The question seems to be wether those deals are crafted with both parties on eye level or wether they are imposed by one party.

craftyguy 9y ago

> We know people can sustainably live at much higher densities than Africans currently do. Really? What are some places where people live sustainably at higher densities and at the same scale? 3 people sharing a sustainable farm doesn't count. You also have to account for the cities, which consume vastly more resources and produce vastly more waste.

nsp 9y ago
Cities are almost always wildly more efficient on a per capita basis than rural regions due to economies of scale.
- craftyguy 9y ago
  Yet, there are no sustainable cities. They still depend on vast supply chains that flow far outside their borders for resources and waste disposal.

vixen99 9y ago

Given the benefit payments offered in certain European countries, why should migration stop at all if you have open borders? In Greece 86% and in Italy 80% in polls want fewer immigrants allowed into their countries. More than 50% in the United Kingdom and in France plus 47% in Spain agree. How do you deal with this, ignore these voices?

badpun 9y ago

Africa has much less percentage of arable land than Europe or Asia: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.LND.ARBL.ZS?type=shaded&view=map https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.LND.ARBL.ZS?type=sha...