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You're absolutely right we should all leave FB. It's the only way to make them change. I've been seriously considering it for a while - I'd lose some exposure i

You're absolutely right we should all leave FB. It's the only way to make them change. I've been seriously considering it for a while - I'd lose some exposure in my hobby groups, and my mother would miss the kids' photo updates, but I could just about live with that.

shard972 9y ago
You could use Diaspora. I haven't used either FB or Diaspora in quite a few years know but I would have to imagine it still exists.
- beams_of_light 9y ago
  Or Mastodon.
jackstraw14 9y ago
If they announced a totally different business model, you would trust them and go back? I’m just asking because that’s an interesting thought, making Facebook change. How can you trust them enough after quitting in protest? If we expect to have any success, people need to remove this idea that they need social media in their lives. All this is hypothetical too — last I checked Facebook brought in more cash than the 15 lowest GDPs or something like that. Making Facebook change just isn’t realistic. When you quit Facebook, you join a protest against for-profit social media, and as long as Facebook is a blind money machine it will always be part of the problem.
- gregknicholson 9y ago
  > people need to remove this idea that they need social media in their lives People need to remove the idea that they need social media companies in their social media. Social media itself is fine. The problem is service providers whose interests aren't aligned with their users.
  - jackstraw14 9y ago
    > Social media itself is fine. This is debatable. A completely ethical social media service still has the ability to control perceptions and thus decisions on a large scale. I think the problem is that everyone can know this and still use Facebook multiple times daily. To know that they contributed to the election of Donald Trump simply by using Facebook, and then go on Facebook to complain about Donald Trump. Surely that must be the problem, whatever makes people knowingly contribute to their own destruction, somehow without ever thinking about it.
watertom 9y ago
what you can't email your mom pictures? IF she can use Facebook she can read email

shard972 9y ago

You could use Diaspora. I haven't used either FB or Diaspora in quite a few years know but I would have to imagine it still exists.

beams_of_light 9y ago
Or Mastodon.

jackstraw14 9y ago

If they announced a totally different business model, you would trust them and go back? I’m just asking because that’s an interesting thought, making Facebook change. How can you trust them enough after quitting in protest? If we expect to have any success, people need to remove this idea that they need social media in their lives. All this is hypothetical too — last I checked Facebook brought in more cash than the 15 lowest GDPs or something like that. Making Facebook change just isn’t realistic. When you quit Facebook, you join a protest against for-profit social media, and as long as Facebook is a blind money machine it will always be part of the problem.

gregknicholson 9y ago
> people need to remove this idea that they need social media in their lives People need to remove the idea that they need social media companies in their social media. Social media itself is fine. The problem is service providers whose interests aren't aligned with their users.
- jackstraw14 9y ago
  > Social media itself is fine. This is debatable. A completely ethical social media service still has the ability to control perceptions and thus decisions on a large scale. I think the problem is that everyone can know this and still use Facebook multiple times daily. To know that they contributed to the election of Donald Trump simply by using Facebook, and then go on Facebook to complain about Donald Trump. Surely that must be the problem, whatever makes people knowingly contribute to their own destruction, somehow without ever thinking about it.

watertom 9y ago

what you can't email your mom pictures? IF she can use Facebook she can read email