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I doubt the police had the records from the car’s system. With all due respect, then why are they using their bully pulpit to blame this woman for her death at

I doubt the police had the records from the car’s system. With all due respect, then why are they using their bully pulpit to blame this woman for her death at this early stage? The vehicle made no attempt to stop, which seems worrying if the sensors and algorithms were working as intended, so maybe it would be worth looking at those systems.

monkpit 9y ago
I think you are confusing the legal term “at fault” with the subjective term of “blame”.
goshx 9y ago
How does the police determine that a vehicle "made no attempt to stop" today, without video and sensor data?
- portofcall 9y ago
  I don’t know, but made no attempt to stop is according to the police. Uber’s self-driving car was traveling at a speed of 40 mph when it struck a 49-year-old woman in Arizona Sunday night, and did not show significant signs of slowing down, police said today. https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17140936/uber-self-driving-crash-death-homeless-arizona https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17140936/uber-self-drivin... If you’re saying that the whole “blame it on the homeless lady” routine is premature the im with you though.
  - goshx 9y ago
    Yes, I think it is premature. What I am trying to say is that I don't think the police used the proper data from the car to give the results. If they were looking for break marks from the tires on the road, for instance (I have no idea what method they use), that doesn't necessarily mean the car wasn't breaking.
- tzs 9y ago
  Where the skid marks start (if there are skid marks at all), probably. Witness reports might help, too.
  - lagadu 9y ago
    A modern car that makes skidmarks under heavy breaking is a car with a broken brake and safety system. Modern ABS brakes actuate fast enough that they don't leave skidmarks under maximum braking.
- megy 9y ago
  The same way they do it now??
  - goshx 9y ago
    That’s what I am asking. How do they do it now?
- stevenwoo 9y ago
  They might have meant skid marks indicating an emergency stop though with the prevalence of ABS that is no longer a surefire sign.

monkpit 9y ago

I think you are confusing the legal term “at fault” with the subjective term of “blame”.

goshx 9y ago

How does the police determine that a vehicle "made no attempt to stop" today, without video and sensor data?

portofcall 9y ago
I don’t know, but made no attempt to stop is according to the police. Uber’s self-driving car was traveling at a speed of 40 mph when it struck a 49-year-old woman in Arizona Sunday night, and did not show significant signs of slowing down, police said today. https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17140936/uber-self-driving-crash-death-homeless-arizona https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17140936/uber-self-drivin... If you’re saying that the whole “blame it on the homeless lady” routine is premature the im with you though.
- goshx 9y ago
  Yes, I think it is premature. What I am trying to say is that I don't think the police used the proper data from the car to give the results. If they were looking for break marks from the tires on the road, for instance (I have no idea what method they use), that doesn't necessarily mean the car wasn't breaking.
tzs 9y ago
Where the skid marks start (if there are skid marks at all), probably. Witness reports might help, too.
- lagadu 9y ago
  A modern car that makes skidmarks under heavy breaking is a car with a broken brake and safety system. Modern ABS brakes actuate fast enough that they don't leave skidmarks under maximum braking.
megy 9y ago
The same way they do it now??
- goshx 9y ago
  That’s what I am asking. How do they do it now?
stevenwoo 9y ago
They might have meant skid marks indicating an emergency stop though with the prevalence of ABS that is no longer a surefire sign.