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https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17140936/uber-self-driving-crash-death-homeless-arizona https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17140936/uber-self-drivin... The

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17140936/uber-self-driving-crash-death-homeless-arizona https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17140936/uber-self-drivin... The brakes didn’t even start to engage. Just how fast do you think this woman moved exactly?

goshx 9y ago
If she was behind another parked car and stepped in front of the car that hit her, she could have been at a normal walking pace. The police stated that the car did not show signs of slowing down before the accident. I doubt the police had the records from the car’s system.
- portofcall 9y ago
  I doubt the police had the records from the car’s system. With all due respect, then why are they using their bully pulpit to blame this woman for her death at this early stage? The vehicle made no attempt to stop, which seems worrying if the sensors and algorithms were working as intended, so maybe it would be worth looking at those systems.
  - monkpit 9y ago
    I think you are confusing the legal term “at fault” with the subjective term of “blame”.
  - goshx 9y ago
    How does the police determine that a vehicle "made no attempt to stop" today, without video and sensor data?
    - portofcall 9y ago
      I don’t know, but made no attempt to stop is according to the police. Uber’s self-driving car was traveling at a speed of 40 mph when it struck a 49-year-old woman in Arizona Sunday night, and did not show significant signs of slowing down, police said today. https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17140936/uber-self-driving-crash-death-homeless-arizona https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17140936/uber-self-drivin... If you’re saying that the whole “blame it on the homeless lady” routine is premature the im with you though.
      - goshx 9y ago
        Yes, I think it is premature. What I am trying to say is that I don't think the police used the proper data from the car to give the results. If they were looking for break marks from the tires on the road, for instance (I have no idea what method they use), that doesn't necessarily mean the car wasn't breaking.
    - tzs 9y ago
      Where the skid marks start (if there are skid marks at all), probably. Witness reports might help, too.
      - lagadu 9y ago
        A modern car that makes skidmarks under heavy breaking is a car with a broken brake and safety system. Modern ABS brakes actuate fast enough that they don't leave skidmarks under maximum braking.
    - megy 9y ago
      The same way they do it now??
      - goshx 9y ago
        That’s what I am asking. How do they do it now?
    - stevenwoo 9y ago
      They might have meant skid marks indicating an emergency stop though with the prevalence of ABS that is no longer a surefire sign.
treis 9y ago
There's miles of difference between the brakes not engaging and not showing significant signs of slowing down. It's enormously unlikely that the Uber car failed this badly. The most plausible scenario is that the car did brake but just didn't leave skid marks. The car not recognizing a human in its path would be a shocking failure.
- portofcall 9y ago
  Just an update, the Uber car did fail that badly, and it was a shocking failure.

goshx 9y ago

If she was behind another parked car and stepped in front of the car that hit her, she could have been at a normal walking pace. The police stated that the car did not show signs of slowing down before the accident. I doubt the police had the records from the car’s system.

portofcall 9y ago
I doubt the police had the records from the car’s system. With all due respect, then why are they using their bully pulpit to blame this woman for her death at this early stage? The vehicle made no attempt to stop, which seems worrying if the sensors and algorithms were working as intended, so maybe it would be worth looking at those systems.
- monkpit 9y ago
  I think you are confusing the legal term “at fault” with the subjective term of “blame”.
- goshx 9y ago
  How does the police determine that a vehicle "made no attempt to stop" today, without video and sensor data?
  - portofcall 9y ago
    I don’t know, but made no attempt to stop is according to the police. Uber’s self-driving car was traveling at a speed of 40 mph when it struck a 49-year-old woman in Arizona Sunday night, and did not show significant signs of slowing down, police said today. https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17140936/uber-self-driving-crash-death-homeless-arizona https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17140936/uber-self-drivin... If you’re saying that the whole “blame it on the homeless lady” routine is premature the im with you though.
    - goshx 9y ago
      Yes, I think it is premature. What I am trying to say is that I don't think the police used the proper data from the car to give the results. If they were looking for break marks from the tires on the road, for instance (I have no idea what method they use), that doesn't necessarily mean the car wasn't breaking.
  - tzs 9y ago
    Where the skid marks start (if there are skid marks at all), probably. Witness reports might help, too.
    - lagadu 9y ago
      A modern car that makes skidmarks under heavy breaking is a car with a broken brake and safety system. Modern ABS brakes actuate fast enough that they don't leave skidmarks under maximum braking.
  - megy 9y ago
    The same way they do it now??
    - goshx 9y ago
      That’s what I am asking. How do they do it now?
  - stevenwoo 9y ago
    They might have meant skid marks indicating an emergency stop though with the prevalence of ABS that is no longer a surefire sign.

treis 9y ago

There's miles of difference between the brakes not engaging and not showing significant signs of slowing down. It's enormously unlikely that the Uber car failed this badly. The most plausible scenario is that the car did brake but just didn't leave skid marks. The car not recognizing a human in its path would be a shocking failure.

portofcall 9y ago
Just an update, the Uber car did fail that badly, and it was a shocking failure.