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>who started his campaign on the idea that the overwhelming majority of Mexican-Americans were murderers and rapists. This is blatantly false. Where did you ge

>who started his campaign on the idea that the overwhelming majority of Mexican-Americans were murderers and rapists. This is blatantly false. Where did you get this idea and why doesn't it raise a red flag for being so rediculous when you repeat it?

TAForObvReasons 9y ago
Here's the original quote from his speech in 2015: > When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best ... They're sending people that have lots of problems...they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people. "They're rapists." is pretty self-explanatory. "And some, I assume, are good people." is indicative of Trump's sense of the scale of "good" versus "bad" people.
- thefirstfirefox 9y ago
  Go look up what a rape tree is, or the percent of women who are raped making the crossing and you'll understand the context.
- jjeaff 9y ago
  That's a disingenuous transcript. "They're rapists" is much more likely to be, "their rapists". And it makes a big difference. (as in, "...they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, their rapists.") In other words, they aren't sending their best, they are sending drug dealers, criminals, rapists, etc. That's completely different than that transcript's implication, which would be like saying, "they aren't sending their best, they are sending their drug dealers, their criminals, and all of them are rapists as well." Unless you aren't a native speaker, I'm inclined to believe that you are being willfully disingenuous by spreading that the latter was what he meant to say. Trump has enough insanity that no one needs to make up stuff to make him look bad. This is just like the other stupid "bigly" meme. Even linguists have had to weigh in to agree that he was saying "big league" not bigly. Again, his grammar and syntax is elementary enough that we don't have to make crap up.
  - mattnewton 9y ago
    Sorry, he wasn’t calling all Mexicans rapists, just the ones immigrating to the United States. Much better.
    - slededit 9y ago
      The truth matters. Disinformation hurts us all.
    - jjeaff 9y ago
      No, you missed the point. They are sending drugs, crime, rapists; does not imply that everyone is a rapist. All it implies is that at least more than 1 rapist has come across the border illegally. Which is probably true.
  - rifung 9y ago
    > Unless you aren't a native speaker, I'm inclined to believe that you are being willfully disingenuous by spreading that the latter was what he meant to say. I'm a native speaker but "they're" makes sense to me here? > They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. The way I read it, at this sentence the first "they" refers to Mexico, while the second refers to the people who (illegally?) immigrated. He then says > They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. This "they're" follows directly after and again refers to the immigrants because they are "bringing" drugs and not "sending" drugs, or at least that was my interpretation. Is that wrong?
    - jjeaff 9y ago
      Well, I'm not 100% sure I understand what you are saying, but I believe you are saying that "they're rapists" makes sense if you assume that the verb is dropped. If that's the case then yes, it could be: "They're [sending their] rapists." Which is essentially the same meaning as ", their rapists". But the ridiculous interpretation that many people have extrapolated from "they're rapists". Is, "They [are all] rapists. Which is absurd, even for Trump.
  - 9y ago
dictum 9y ago
"When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they’re killing us economically. The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems. Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." Some (qualified with the half-hearted I assume) is pretty much the opposite of the overwhelming majority. http://time.com/3923128/donald-trump-announcement-speech/ http://time.com/3923128/donald-trump-announcement-speech/
- jjeaff 9y ago
  "they're rapists" doesn't make sense here. I'll bet 100 to 1 he said "their rapists".
- hueving 9y ago
  You do know that entire speech is in the context of illegal immigration, right?
s2g 9y ago
> Where did you get this idea The infamous news clip. People do leave off the "and some, I assume, are good people", but that really doesn't make it much better does it?
dang 9y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16624887 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16624887 and marked it off-topic.

TAForObvReasons 9y ago

Here's the original quote from his speech in 2015: > When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best ... They're sending people that have lots of problems...they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people. "They're rapists." is pretty self-explanatory. "And some, I assume, are good people." is indicative of Trump's sense of the scale of "good" versus "bad" people.

thefirstfirefox 9y ago
Go look up what a rape tree is, or the percent of women who are raped making the crossing and you'll understand the context.
jjeaff 9y ago
That's a disingenuous transcript. "They're rapists" is much more likely to be, "their rapists". And it makes a big difference. (as in, "...they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, their rapists.") In other words, they aren't sending their best, they are sending drug dealers, criminals, rapists, etc. That's completely different than that transcript's implication, which would be like saying, "they aren't sending their best, they are sending their drug dealers, their criminals, and all of them are rapists as well." Unless you aren't a native speaker, I'm inclined to believe that you are being willfully disingenuous by spreading that the latter was what he meant to say. Trump has enough insanity that no one needs to make up stuff to make him look bad. This is just like the other stupid "bigly" meme. Even linguists have had to weigh in to agree that he was saying "big league" not bigly. Again, his grammar and syntax is elementary enough that we don't have to make crap up.
- mattnewton 9y ago
  Sorry, he wasn’t calling all Mexicans rapists, just the ones immigrating to the United States. Much better.
  - slededit 9y ago
    The truth matters. Disinformation hurts us all.
  - jjeaff 9y ago
    No, you missed the point. They are sending drugs, crime, rapists; does not imply that everyone is a rapist. All it implies is that at least more than 1 rapist has come across the border illegally. Which is probably true.
- rifung 9y ago
  > Unless you aren't a native speaker, I'm inclined to believe that you are being willfully disingenuous by spreading that the latter was what he meant to say. I'm a native speaker but "they're" makes sense to me here? > They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. The way I read it, at this sentence the first "they" refers to Mexico, while the second refers to the people who (illegally?) immigrated. He then says > They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. This "they're" follows directly after and again refers to the immigrants because they are "bringing" drugs and not "sending" drugs, or at least that was my interpretation. Is that wrong?
  - jjeaff 9y ago
    Well, I'm not 100% sure I understand what you are saying, but I believe you are saying that "they're rapists" makes sense if you assume that the verb is dropped. If that's the case then yes, it could be: "They're [sending their] rapists." Which is essentially the same meaning as ", their rapists". But the ridiculous interpretation that many people have extrapolated from "they're rapists". Is, "They [are all] rapists. Which is absurd, even for Trump.
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dictum 9y ago

"When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they’re killing us economically. The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems. Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." Some (qualified with the half-hearted I assume) is pretty much the opposite of the overwhelming majority. http://time.com/3923128/donald-trump-announcement-speech/ http://time.com/3923128/donald-trump-announcement-speech/

jjeaff 9y ago
"they're rapists" doesn't make sense here. I'll bet 100 to 1 he said "their rapists".
hueving 9y ago
You do know that entire speech is in the context of illegal immigration, right?

s2g 9y ago

> Where did you get this idea The infamous news clip. People do leave off the "and some, I assume, are good people", but that really doesn't make it much better does it?

dang 9y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16624887 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16624887 and marked it off-topic.