> I think it's significant that a huge number of people are using end-to-end encryption by default without even realizing it > most certainly objectively a lot

> I think it's significant that a huge number of people are using end-to-end encryption by default without even realizing it > most certainly objectively a lot better than facebook messenger or SMS Sure, I wouldn't argue with that. Doesn't make up for making me use Google Services (or a phone & a phone number, for that matter) and sharing all my contacts with FB though. It might be even making me angrier about whole situation: it's so close to being good that it makes it obvious, how much technologically possible it in fact is to have a sane messenger. We don't have it though. And no surprise, because who would pay for it, if money cannot be made out of our metadata?