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Why are you so sure? Such absolute certainty -- certain enough to dismiss the loss of life for the greater good -- is the cause of so many bad things. I'd like

Why are you so sure? Such absolute certainty -- certain enough to dismiss the loss of life for the greater good -- is the cause of so many bad things. I'd like to believe this technology will save 20000 lives per year. But today is a time for humility and reflection.

nordsieck 9y ago
> Why are you so sure? Because we have the driving records of all self-driving vehicles. Based on the evidence, their accidents per 100,000 miles driven is far superior to the average driver. The law of large numbers tells us this is highly unlikely to be the result of luck.
- more_corn 9y ago
  Don't lump Uber's hodgepodge effort launched a couple years ago in with the serious and careful efforts of groups like Waymo/Google and Cruze. Google has a decade or more of data. Uber's frantically trying to figure it out on the fly. And they're seriously failing to run safe cars.
- danso 9y ago
  > Because we have the driving records of all self-driving vehicles. We do? Because one of Uber's apparent reasons for testing in Arizona rather than California (FWIW, Waymo has since moved from AZ to CA) is that there are no requirements to disclose driving/performance records, as there is in California [0]. The most we know at this point is that Uber has claimed to have driven 2+ million miles [1], which means it has a fatality rate of 50x the rate of human drivers (~1.18 per 100M miles). Yes, it's not fair to extrapolate like that, but this is just to point out that you need to cite evidence for "[self-driving vehicle] accidents per 100,000 miles driven is far superior to the average driver" [0] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/autonomousveh_ol316+ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/auton... [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/bizcarson/2017/12/22/ubers-self-driving-cars-2-million-miles/#5122cc8a4fe4 https://www.forbes.com/sites/bizcarson/2017/12/22/ubers-self...
- jeffdavis 9y ago
  You are assuming that all accidents are independent events and neglecting black-swan risks.

nordsieck 9y ago

> Why are you so sure? Because we have the driving records of all self-driving vehicles. Based on the evidence, their accidents per 100,000 miles driven is far superior to the average driver. The law of large numbers tells us this is highly unlikely to be the result of luck.

more_corn 9y ago
Don't lump Uber's hodgepodge effort launched a couple years ago in with the serious and careful efforts of groups like Waymo/Google and Cruze. Google has a decade or more of data. Uber's frantically trying to figure it out on the fly. And they're seriously failing to run safe cars.
danso 9y ago
> Because we have the driving records of all self-driving vehicles. We do? Because one of Uber's apparent reasons for testing in Arizona rather than California (FWIW, Waymo has since moved from AZ to CA) is that there are no requirements to disclose driving/performance records, as there is in California [0]. The most we know at this point is that Uber has claimed to have driven 2+ million miles [1], which means it has a fatality rate of 50x the rate of human drivers (~1.18 per 100M miles). Yes, it's not fair to extrapolate like that, but this is just to point out that you need to cite evidence for "[self-driving vehicle] accidents per 100,000 miles driven is far superior to the average driver" [0] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/autonomousveh_ol316+ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/auton... [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/bizcarson/2017/12/22/ubers-self-driving-cars-2-million-miles/#5122cc8a4fe4 https://www.forbes.com/sites/bizcarson/2017/12/22/ubers-self...
jeffdavis 9y ago
You are assuming that all accidents are independent events and neglecting black-swan risks.