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The Nerve Agent Poisoning in England Was a Message to the Rest of the World
- londons_explore 9y agoWe have now seen three attacks by russia on british soil using rare/obscure/unusual methods. Yet seemingly none in other nations. How do we know this attack isn't a false flag attack?
- dfsegoat 9y agoAccording to the below, there are other suspicious deaths (no cause determined, or conflicting info on cause of death) in countries like the US & Greece: https://www.axios.com/russian-diplomats-keep-dying-unexpectedly-1513303951-de0183f3-7f77-400e-b9a2-45fb8ed7dfbd.html https://www.axios.com/russian-diplomats-keep-dying-unexpecte...
- coldtea 9y agoSo they're also responsible for killing their own people currently holding state positions and appointed by them? Even when the killer is e.g. a Turkish policeman?
- coldtea 9y agoWe're not supposed to ask these questions. After all several agencies have hand waived long enough, and would government agencies deeply tied to national interests ever lie? Like with WMDs (and tons of other things), when a target du jour has been selected and hammered with BS, anything goes, and those who question it are considered fringe (or "paid", nowadays they don't even the courtesy of people considering they believe what they write). If the "Russians did it with a rare/obscure/unusual signature method because that's what they do" idea was too crude and for the masses, the "they did it so as a message" is for gullible people of higher IQ.
- pasabagi 9y agoEh, two things: - Russia has been into poisoning since the days of Stalin. Some of the poisons (Polonium) would be very hard for anybody else to get hold of, let alone use. - London is a city where a lot of wealthy Russian ex-pats live. Being skeptical of everything is just as corrosive to realism as being overly credulous. Just look at Alex Jones.
- coldtea 9y ago>- Russia has been into poisoning since the days of Stalin. Unlike say the US, France, or Israel? E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Fide... >Some of the poisons (Polonium) would be very hard for anybody else to get hold of, let alone use. But trivial for any false flag state actor. >- London is a city where a lot of wealthy Russian ex-pats live. Yes, but how is this relevant to whether Russia as a state (that is, not them) is involved? Unless they are those giving the command, or the targets... >Being skeptical of everything is just as corrosive to realism as being overly credulous. Just look at Alex Jones. Sure, but this is basic due diligence. I'm not going to take the assurances of this of that state agency - without public proof besides what their "experts" say-- at face value, like, ever.
- wmeredith 9y agoWhat would this proof look like to someone with your perspective? I’m genuinely curious what they could provide that you couldn’t/wouldn’t hand wave away as fake news.
- mywittyname 9y agoI suppose this explains the rather weak response to Russia's numerous transgressions over the years. I mean, they shot down a fucking passenger flight full of civilians and the best response that we could muster was to file a "claim" against Putin with the European Court of Human rights. Their message is pretty clear: they can cause mass civilian casualties anywhere they want, and probably get away with it. So it's best not to push Russia too hard.
- 77ko 9y ago> that the power behind the attack — Russia, according to the UK — doesn’t think anyone else is ruthless enough to retaliate effectively. I thought that applies even more to the USA running assassination programs[0] in over 76 countries now. [0]: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/08/18/the-drone-presidency/ http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/08/18/the-drone-preside...