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> But if your solution is to just scrap the whole thing, that is anti-immigrant That is utter bullshit. Advocating scraping H1B is not anti-immigrant, particul
by jnbiche 9y ago
> But if your solution is to just scrap the whole thing, that is anti-immigrant
That is utter bullshit. Advocating scraping H1B is not anti-immigrant, particularly when many of us are also pro-DACA, and for increasing our general immigration quotas. But it's wrong to target specific workers for wage suppression, whether that's programmers, construction workers, or field workers.
And yes, if you go around calling people "anti-immigrant" (like you just called me) and "racist" who normally should be your allies, you are helping elect candidates like Trump. Because most people won't stick around with you when you do that. They'll defect to the other side, the side that's attacking you. It's human nature.
- s73v3r_ 9y agoScrapping H1B altogether, without advocating for a replacement program that would still allow those people to come here is extremely anti-immigrant, because you're saying those people should not have a path to come here. "And yes, if you go around calling people "anti-immigrant" (like you just called me) and "racist" who normally should be your allies, you are helping elect candidates like Trump." Only if those people are so childish that they cannot take a bit of criticism. And if a bit of criticism is all it takes for you to do an about face and join Trump, then you never believed in those positions to start with.
- jnbiche 9y ago> And if a bit of criticism is all it takes for you to do an about face and join Trump I would never join an overt authoritarian like Trump, but many people did for this exact reason. People resent being denigrated with terms like "racist" and "anti-immigrant" when they're trying to have a reasonable debate about immigration reform, and not suggesting totally blocking immigrants from coming here. It's wrong, but experiences being called names will often push people in the arms of a powerful figure who promises to put the people calling them names into their proper place. I'm all for calling out Nazis and racists by their proper name, but if you believe that opposing H1B makes you "anti-immigrant", then you've lost the thread.
- s73v3r_ 9y ago"I would never join an overt authoritarian like Trump, but many people did for this exact reason." And those people were never 'allies' as you put it; they never really cared about the problem. "People resent being denigrated with terms like "racist" and "anti-immigrant" when they're trying to have a reasonable debate about immigration reform" The only ones who are being labeled like that are the ones who are espousing racist and xenophobic views, or aligning themselves with those who are. If you don't like being called racist, then stop aligning yourself with racist positions. And saying, 'Just end the H1B program' is not having a reasonable debate. "It's wrong, but experiences being called names will often push people in the arms of a powerful figure who promises to put the people calling them names into their proper place." And those cowards should be shamed even more. They are truly the most deplorable of the deplorables. "I'm all for calling out Nazis and racists by their proper name, but if you believe that opposing H1B makes you "anti-immigrant", then you've lost the thread." Opposing H1B by saying that they deserve better working conditions and shouldn't be abused by shitty employers is not anti-immigrant. Opposing H1B by saying the program should just be ended absolutely is anti-immigrant.