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To ensure that all automotive software incorporates lessons learned from such fatalities, it would be beneficial to develop a common data set of (mostly synthet
by w_t_payne 9y ago
To ensure that all automotive software incorporates lessons learned from such fatalities, it would be beneficial to develop a common data set of (mostly synthetic) data replicating accident and 'near miss' scenarios.
As we understand more about the risks associated with autonomous driving, we should expand and enrich this data-set, and to ensure public safety, testing against such a dataset should be part of NHTSA / Euro NCAP testing.
I.e. NHTSA and Euro NCAP should start getting into the business of software testing.
- kaennar 9y agoDr. Mary Cummings has been working on talking to NHTSA about implementing V and V for autopilots/AI in unmanned vehicles for a few years now. She's also been compiling a dataset exactly like what you are talking about. I think the idea is to build a "Traincar of Reasonability" to test future autonomous vehicles with. You might want to check out her research https://hal.pratt.duke.edu/research https://hal.pratt.duke.edu/research
- pishpash 9y agoHow about not testing it on the unpaid public in incremental patches like this age of software "engineering" has decided it was a good idea to do?
- Someone1234 9y agoYou ultimately have to at some stage, since any test track is a biased test by its nature. It is more an issue of how sophisticated these vehicles should be before they're let loose on public roads. At some stage they have to be allowed onto public roads or they'd literally never make it into production.
- ebcode 9y ago"Never making it into production" sounds like the perfect outcome for this technology.
- cuckcuckspruce 9y agoThen make the officers of the company stake their lives on this, not the lives of innocent pedestrians. If they're not willing to dogfood their own potential murder machines then why should the public trust them on the public roads?
- rjvir 9y agoWhy would Uber agree to such regulations? They were unwilling to legally obtain a self-driving license in California because they did not want to report "disengagements" (situations in which a human driver has to intervene). Uber would just set their self-driving cars free and eat whatever fine/punishment comes with it.
- toomuchtodo 9y agoIt would be required by law. Violating the law would hold corporate officers criminally responsible.
- jonathankoren 9y agoHonestly, complying with the law has never been one of Uber’s strong suits.
- neaden 9y agoI guess my hopeful answer would be they start getting treated like Enron and someone high up goes to prison until they start to comply.
- gleenn 9y agoDid anyone actually go to prison from Enron?
- danso 9y agoYou mean, besides the CEO, Jeffrey Skilling? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-enron-skilling/former-enron-ceo-skillings-sentence-cut-to-14-years-idUSBRE95K12520130621 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-enron-skilling/former-enr... Enron's founder, Kenneth Lay, was also convicted and faced as much as life in prison. However, he died before sentencing: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05cnd-lay.html http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05cnd-lay.html
- Scarblac 9y ago
- nealabq 9y agoThere may eventually be standard test suites that can be applied to any of the self-driving systems in simulation. This would give us a basis of comparison for safety, but also for speed and efficiency. As well as some core set of tests that define minimum competence, these tests could include sensor failure, equipment failure (tire blowout, the gas pedal gets stuck, the brakes stop working) and unexpected environmental changes (ice on the road, a swerving bus). Manufacturers could even let the public develop and run their own test cases.