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Is it weird that I miss gulp and even grunt sometimes? Webpack does some really cool stuff with basic configuration, but gives me a scary black box feeling, lik

Is it weird that I miss gulp and even grunt sometimes? Webpack does some really cool stuff with basic configuration, but gives me a scary black box feeling, like if it really wanted to it could stop working and I would be unable to fix it. I never got the same feeling with gulp/grunt, maybe the bulky config files give a sense of control.

unclebucknasty 9y ago
>gives me a scary black box feeling, like if it really wanted to it could stop working and I would be unable to fix it This was verbatim my thinking when evaluating Vue 2 a while back. Its reliance on Webpack or Browserify for optimal use really gave me pause. I could just see myself losing days trying to figure out which bit got flipped to stop its working. Vue 2 was new at the time as well, so I wasn't sure about adoption, ecosystem, and/or the maintainers' committment. Looking back, I would've rolled the dice. But, all of this to say glad I'm not alone in that black boxes give me pause in a world where everyone seems to rush headlong into the next big thing, ceding ever more control.
- CharlesW 9y ago
  > Its reliance on Webpack or Browserify for optimal use really gave me pause. Mind elaborating on what you mean by "for optimal use"? For example, I use Brunch with Vue 2 and it seems to work fine.
  - LukeShu 9y ago
    There is no complete stand-alone Vue SFC compiler; every SFC compiler is written as a plugin for a specific bundler. The 3 official implementations are the Webpack, Browserify, and Rollup plugins. There's no significant code-sharing between them (and I'm sure there are no subtle differences that will bite you), and the Browserify and Rollup plugins can lag months behind the Webpack one--they still don't support functional SFCs, which were added in Vue 2.5.0 back in October. So, how does vue-brunch work? It declares the Browserify plugin as a dependency, and wraps it.
    - unclebucknasty 9y ago
      Exactly this. And Rollup wasn't available (or at least well-publicized) when I was evaluating about a year ago.
onion2k 9y ago
Is it weird that I miss gulp and even grunt sometimes? Why did you stop using them? Gulp is still active. It gets 4M downloads from npm each month. If you like it and it does what you need then you should definitely carry on using it.

unclebucknasty 9y ago

>gives me a scary black box feeling, like if it really wanted to it could stop working and I would be unable to fix it This was verbatim my thinking when evaluating Vue 2 a while back. Its reliance on Webpack or Browserify for optimal use really gave me pause. I could just see myself losing days trying to figure out which bit got flipped to stop its working. Vue 2 was new at the time as well, so I wasn't sure about adoption, ecosystem, and/or the maintainers' committment. Looking back, I would've rolled the dice. But, all of this to say glad I'm not alone in that black boxes give me pause in a world where everyone seems to rush headlong into the next big thing, ceding ever more control.

CharlesW 9y ago
> Its reliance on Webpack or Browserify for optimal use really gave me pause. Mind elaborating on what you mean by "for optimal use"? For example, I use Brunch with Vue 2 and it seems to work fine.
- LukeShu 9y ago
  There is no complete stand-alone Vue SFC compiler; every SFC compiler is written as a plugin for a specific bundler. The 3 official implementations are the Webpack, Browserify, and Rollup plugins. There's no significant code-sharing between them (and I'm sure there are no subtle differences that will bite you), and the Browserify and Rollup plugins can lag months behind the Webpack one--they still don't support functional SFCs, which were added in Vue 2.5.0 back in October. So, how does vue-brunch work? It declares the Browserify plugin as a dependency, and wraps it.
  - unclebucknasty 9y ago
    Exactly this. And Rollup wasn't available (or at least well-publicized) when I was evaluating about a year ago.

onion2k 9y ago

Is it weird that I miss gulp and even grunt sometimes? Why did you stop using them? Gulp is still active. It gets 4M downloads from npm each month. If you like it and it does what you need then you should definitely carry on using it.