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> Meanwhile Walmart has to come up with the $.20 out of their store operating costs, but those costs are an opportunity to cut something that Amazon doesn't hav

> Meanwhile Walmart has to come up with the $.20 out of their store operating costs, but those costs are an opportunity to cut something that Amazon doesn't have. They could improve the energy efficiency of their stores. They could lay off some greeters. They could renegotiate the lease on their stores against the fact that all other retailers will have to pay the same new tax, which reduces the market value of commercial rental property. Walmart makes up for the difference profit margins with amazon because of volume. Reducing operating costs at pure profit is already at walmarts disposable: what they could do is reduce the quality of products (worse chain of supply, worse produce, worse items) which is in practical terms also a tax in consumers. They really are distorting.

AnthonyMouse 9y ago
> Reducing operating costs at pure profit is already at walmarts disposable: what they could do is reduce the quality of products (worse chain of supply, worse produce, worse items) which is in practical terms also a tax in consumers. What you're missing is that the tax itself may give them leverage. If there is suddenly a 20% tax on retail goods then the cost of commercial properties may go down, because the retailers need to cut costs to cover the tax and the property owners will have no customers if the retailers go out of business, so it could be the property owners who end up eating some of the tax. They may have to lower rents enough to make retailing out of their space profitable. And the same for any other operating costs the retailers have. They may be able to pay lower wages because all retailers would have to do that in order to be profitable, so wages for retail employees go down across the board and the employees eat part of the tax. And the same applies to offering crappier service so that the customer eats some of the tax. It's possible for customers to prefer that to higher prices. And when the tax causes that to happen across the board, the customers may have no alternatives so the store may lose no business. Customers still need bread, now all the bread in every store either costs more or tastes worse, so the customer picks their poison and the store stays in business one way or the other. > They really are distorting. Oh, a tax really will affect two different businesses differently. But the distinguishing factor isn't the size of their margins. Profits are just a different type of cost -- the cost of raising investment capital. You may be able to get the investors to eat the tax, but they may also walk away, just like a customer or supplier might, and then you're just as out of business. The true distinguishing factor how easy it is to get some combination of involved parties to eat the total amount of the tax and still be willing to do business. In other words, whether the total surplus is more than the amount of the tax.

AnthonyMouse 9y ago

> Reducing operating costs at pure profit is already at walmarts disposable: what they could do is reduce the quality of products (worse chain of supply, worse produce, worse items) which is in practical terms also a tax in consumers. What you're missing is that the tax itself may give them leverage. If there is suddenly a 20% tax on retail goods then the cost of commercial properties may go down, because the retailers need to cut costs to cover the tax and the property owners will have no customers if the retailers go out of business, so it could be the property owners who end up eating some of the tax. They may have to lower rents enough to make retailing out of their space profitable. And the same for any other operating costs the retailers have. They may be able to pay lower wages because all retailers would have to do that in order to be profitable, so wages for retail employees go down across the board and the employees eat part of the tax. And the same applies to offering crappier service so that the customer eats some of the tax. It's possible for customers to prefer that to higher prices. And when the tax causes that to happen across the board, the customers may have no alternatives so the store may lose no business. Customers still need bread, now all the bread in every store either costs more or tastes worse, so the customer picks their poison and the store stays in business one way or the other. > They really are distorting. Oh, a tax really will affect two different businesses differently. But the distinguishing factor isn't the size of their margins. Profits are just a different type of cost -- the cost of raising investment capital. You may be able to get the investors to eat the tax, but they may also walk away, just like a customer or supplier might, and then you're just as out of business. The true distinguishing factor how easy it is to get some combination of involved parties to eat the total amount of the tax and still be willing to do business. In other words, whether the total surplus is more than the amount of the tax.