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Entirely predictable and only a matter of time, but talking about it IRL is equivalent to downvote fodder on HN. I want workers to get fair wages, but it often

Entirely predictable and only a matter of time, but talking about it IRL is equivalent to downvote fodder on HN. I want workers to get fair wages, but it often seems the boomers/Gen X achieve that by loading debt onto millennials and future generations. >BART janitor grossed $270K in pay and benefits last year https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12852104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12852104

throwawaymanbot 9y ago
So according to you... its public employees who have caused the 10 Billion dollar hole like this janitor?? lmao...Suuuuuuuuure! Why not check out how SF finances its loans, and some of the extortionate sweetheart deals that have been giving. Chicago is another prime example of this. (Example their parking meters etc..)
Boxbot 9y ago
having seen what BART janitors have to deal with, I say give them a raise and double the headcount.
- eldavido 9y ago
  We don't need more janitors. We need to get serious about fare enforcement. Fence in all the fare-paid areas so people don't blatantly jump over them, and get rid of the swinging doors that people walk through with zero consequence. BART is totally lawless. In the past 4 years, I've had a knife pulled on me, and had someone try to steal my computer. Every day I see dance shows, littering, people passed out on two seats, people blasting music, rampant fare evasion, and drug use at Powell/Civic Center. I'm tired of it and want the system's rules to be enforced.
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  - xienze 9y ago
    > I'm tired of it and want the system's rules to be enforced. Won't happen because, let's face it, minorities are going to predominantly be affected by enforcement. SF's far too progressive to let that happen.
    - eldavido 9y ago
      I wouldn't be so sure. Let's see what happens in the mayoral election. If London Breed gets elected, I take that as a signal that the city wants something different. Politics in the Bay Area has changed noticeably in the 7 years I've lived here. Guys like Wiener are getting more of a voice passing sensible common-sense solutions without getting shouted down by head-in-the-sand idealists that won't see things for what they are. Long-term, I think SF is going to become more like NY, a place with plenty of traditional progressives, but also a healthy share of pro-business, socially liberal conservatives who just want the trains to run on time, and don't give a damn about political correctness. Or maybe I'm just dreaming.

throwawaymanbot 9y ago

So according to you... its public employees who have caused the 10 Billion dollar hole like this janitor?? lmao...Suuuuuuuuure! Why not check out how SF finances its loans, and some of the extortionate sweetheart deals that have been giving. Chicago is another prime example of this. (Example their parking meters etc..)

Boxbot 9y ago

having seen what BART janitors have to deal with, I say give them a raise and double the headcount.

eldavido 9y ago
We don't need more janitors. We need to get serious about fare enforcement. Fence in all the fare-paid areas so people don't blatantly jump over them, and get rid of the swinging doors that people walk through with zero consequence. BART is totally lawless. In the past 4 years, I've had a knife pulled on me, and had someone try to steal my computer. Every day I see dance shows, littering, people passed out on two seats, people blasting music, rampant fare evasion, and drug use at Powell/Civic Center. I'm tired of it and want the system's rules to be enforced.
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- xienze 9y ago
  > I'm tired of it and want the system's rules to be enforced. Won't happen because, let's face it, minorities are going to predominantly be affected by enforcement. SF's far too progressive to let that happen.
  - eldavido 9y ago
    I wouldn't be so sure. Let's see what happens in the mayoral election. If London Breed gets elected, I take that as a signal that the city wants something different. Politics in the Bay Area has changed noticeably in the 7 years I've lived here. Guys like Wiener are getting more of a voice passing sensible common-sense solutions without getting shouted down by head-in-the-sand idealists that won't see things for what they are. Long-term, I think SF is going to become more like NY, a place with plenty of traditional progressives, but also a healthy share of pro-business, socially liberal conservatives who just want the trains to run on time, and don't give a damn about political correctness. Or maybe I'm just dreaming.