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Oh, I more or less agree with you. Like 2 years is basically useless, especially if the person has a family to consider. I don't think that 2 years is enough t

Oh, I more or less agree with you. Like 2 years is basically useless, especially if the person has a family to consider. I don't think that 2 years is enough to entice many people in the field, but I feel like it's enough to entice enough.

user5994461 9y ago
Well, it's the norm for a growing company to do with not enough employees, not enough experience and not enough resources. We can both agree on that. I'm not sure where Tesla is recruiting but I don't think they have much footprint even in the USA. If so, they are certainly cut from the vast majority of the talent pool that compose their worldwide competitors.
greglindahl 9y ago
There are tons of engineers in the Valley who have families to consider and still swap jobs every 2 years.
- user5994461 9y ago
  Because it's software development. The projects are super short and you can be out of a job every year. Automotive and aerospace have longer cycle. It takes years to ship anything.
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    No, it's not just software development. However, the main thing I was trying to comment on is that "especially if the person has a family to consider" doesn't play out the way the person I responded to thinks, with actual middle-aged Silicon Valley engineers, in my experience.
    - icegreentea2 9y ago
      I was saying it in the context of what Tesla has to offer to experienced automotive production engineers. Most of them are probably located nowhere near the Bay Area, making the move a bigger deal, especially for families. Anyhow, my original claim was never that it was impossible for Tesla to get the right experienced people, just that what they had to offer was probably enough to get their hands on some of the right people, but not most.
      - greglindahl 9y ago
        Ah. As my reply makes clear, I was only talking about people already living here. Obviously choosing to move to a place with a high cost of living and a modest amount of automotive engineering job choices is a whole 'nother kettle of fish for everyone, including those with families.

user5994461 9y ago

Well, it's the norm for a growing company to do with not enough employees, not enough experience and not enough resources. We can both agree on that. I'm not sure where Tesla is recruiting but I don't think they have much footprint even in the USA. If so, they are certainly cut from the vast majority of the talent pool that compose their worldwide competitors.

greglindahl 9y ago

There are tons of engineers in the Valley who have families to consider and still swap jobs every 2 years.

user5994461 9y ago
Because it's software development. The projects are super short and you can be out of a job every year. Automotive and aerospace have longer cycle. It takes years to ship anything.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  No, it's not just software development. However, the main thing I was trying to comment on is that "especially if the person has a family to consider" doesn't play out the way the person I responded to thinks, with actual middle-aged Silicon Valley engineers, in my experience.
  - icegreentea2 9y ago
    I was saying it in the context of what Tesla has to offer to experienced automotive production engineers. Most of them are probably located nowhere near the Bay Area, making the move a bigger deal, especially for families. Anyhow, my original claim was never that it was impossible for Tesla to get the right experienced people, just that what they had to offer was probably enough to get their hands on some of the right people, but not most.
    - greglindahl 9y ago
      Ah. As my reply makes clear, I was only talking about people already living here. Obviously choosing to move to a place with a high cost of living and a modest amount of automotive engineering job choices is a whole 'nother kettle of fish for everyone, including those with families.