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This is absolutely backward. Cities enforce cultural homogeneity _much_ more than small towns. Try being conservative (or even moderate) in NYC or San Francis

This is absolutely backward. Cities enforce cultural homogeneity _much_ more than small towns. Try being conservative (or even moderate) in NYC or San Francisco.

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Mediterraneo10 9y ago
NYC is home to one of the biggest Hasidic communities in the world. You can hardly get more conservative than that, and they seem to do just fine. Also, the perceived mainstream culture of a city should not lead you to ignore the presence of ample subcultures within that city that are opposed to it. In those big cities, it might be hard to be a conservative if you still insist on having liberals be the main demographic of your social life, but if you actually seek out those with similar views to network and build community with, then the conservative population of definitely NYC and probably even SF is more than big enough to live your life among.
- mistermann 9y ago
  > they seem to do just fine A Hasidic community is an identifiable minority group so would receive no criticism, similar to how ultra-conservative Islamic people are given a free pass by progressives and feminists.
  - emj 9y ago
    > ultra-conservative Islamic people are given a free pass by progressives and feminists. This is not how the world works; if you are in a group with differing opinions it's a bad strategy to think that everyone who do not share your ideas are colluding against you. Over here ultra-conservative religous people are much more likely to agree on topics, than some strange mismatch of other ideologies. I also find it strange to state that Hasidic communities receive no criticism, I know nothing about how they live in NYC but based on world events I doubt they live a frictionless life.
    - mistermann 9y ago
      > This is not how the world works; if you are in a group with differing opinions it's a bad strategy to think that everyone who do not share your ideas are colluding against you. This is fine advice, if I personally did that I would certainly take it under consideration. > I doubt they live a frictionless life Considering no one leads a frictionless life, you're probably correct. However, you may have noticed that criticizing Jewish people is generally frowned upon moreso than other groups. Or, would you have me believe that all groups are treated mathematically identically by all other groups across all cultures?
      - emj 9y ago
        I'm sorry, I've must have misinterpreted your post, but it seems unlikely based these short comments, you concentrate on how other groups affect you but seems to miss the reason the people might have for saying or doing certain things, and these ideas seldome represent homogeneous groups. From my perspective you should always take a step back when you think "those OTHER GROUP are so SOMETHING". The long european monotheistic struggle is a sign post of fear, uncertainty and doubt (I'm sure the Islamic conquests also did something similar, re: my comment above). I'm not sure what part you mean should be mathematically identical it seems like a strange measure for social interaction, too many unknown variables, and too many individuals.
        mistermann 9y ago
        I suspect the problem might be on topics like this, the human mind has a bad habit of becoming impractically pedantic. So, when I write "ultra-conservative Islamic people are given a free pass by progressives and feminists", your mind interprets that (correctly) as an absolute statement, rather than a (correct) generalization. > I'm not sure what part you mean should be mathematically identical it seems like a strange measure for social interaction, too many unknown variables, and too many individuals. This was me returning the sentiment of extreme pedantry.
        emj 9y ago
ocschwar 9y ago
NYC? Rush Limbaugh lives there.
- ams6110 9y ago
  No he lives in Florida.
nitwit005 9y ago
I'm not sure homogeneity would even be in SF, given the ethnic and cultural mix. I've heard this gripe but seen little evidence of it. The bay area has plenty of Republicans.
- electricslpnsld 9y ago
  > The bay area has plenty of Republicans. There are even Bay Area towns that are majority Republican (Atherton, Hillsborough). If we are talking San Francisco, look at the recent organized opposition to marijuana dispensaries for evidence of conservative values in action.
electricslpnsld 9y ago
> Try being conservative (or even moderate) in NYC Like Donald Trump? Hell, NYC elected a conservative as mayor (Rudy Giuliani).
so33 9y ago
Staten Island is notably known to be conservative (having voted for Trump in 2016). And it is in NYC, so...

This is absolutely backward. Cities enforce cultural homogeneity _much_ more than small towns. Try being conservative (or even moderate) in NYC or San Francisco.

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Mediterraneo10 9y ago

NYC is home to one of the biggest Hasidic communities in the world. You can hardly get more conservative than that, and they seem to do just fine. Also, the perceived mainstream culture of a city should not lead you to ignore the presence of ample subcultures within that city that are opposed to it. In those big cities, it might be hard to be a conservative if you still insist on having liberals be the main demographic of your social life, but if you actually seek out those with similar views to network and build community with, then the conservative population of definitely NYC and probably even SF is more than big enough to live your life among.

mistermann 9y ago
> they seem to do just fine A Hasidic community is an identifiable minority group so would receive no criticism, similar to how ultra-conservative Islamic people are given a free pass by progressives and feminists.
- emj 9y ago
  > ultra-conservative Islamic people are given a free pass by progressives and feminists. This is not how the world works; if you are in a group with differing opinions it's a bad strategy to think that everyone who do not share your ideas are colluding against you. Over here ultra-conservative religous people are much more likely to agree on topics, than some strange mismatch of other ideologies. I also find it strange to state that Hasidic communities receive no criticism, I know nothing about how they live in NYC but based on world events I doubt they live a frictionless life.
  - mistermann 9y ago
    > This is not how the world works; if you are in a group with differing opinions it's a bad strategy to think that everyone who do not share your ideas are colluding against you. This is fine advice, if I personally did that I would certainly take it under consideration. > I doubt they live a frictionless life Considering no one leads a frictionless life, you're probably correct. However, you may have noticed that criticizing Jewish people is generally frowned upon moreso than other groups. Or, would you have me believe that all groups are treated mathematically identically by all other groups across all cultures?
    - emj 9y ago
      I'm sorry, I've must have misinterpreted your post, but it seems unlikely based these short comments, you concentrate on how other groups affect you but seems to miss the reason the people might have for saying or doing certain things, and these ideas seldome represent homogeneous groups. From my perspective you should always take a step back when you think "those OTHER GROUP are so SOMETHING". The long european monotheistic struggle is a sign post of fear, uncertainty and doubt (I'm sure the Islamic conquests also did something similar, re: my comment above). I'm not sure what part you mean should be mathematically identical it seems like a strange measure for social interaction, too many unknown variables, and too many individuals.
      - mistermann 9y ago
        I suspect the problem might be on topics like this, the human mind has a bad habit of becoming impractically pedantic. So, when I write "ultra-conservative Islamic people are given a free pass by progressives and feminists", your mind interprets that (correctly) as an absolute statement, rather than a (correct) generalization. > I'm not sure what part you mean should be mathematically identical it seems like a strange measure for social interaction, too many unknown variables, and too many individuals. This was me returning the sentiment of extreme pedantry.
        emj 9y ago

ocschwar 9y ago

NYC? Rush Limbaugh lives there.

ams6110 9y ago
No he lives in Florida.

nitwit005 9y ago

I'm not sure homogeneity would even be in SF, given the ethnic and cultural mix. I've heard this gripe but seen little evidence of it. The bay area has plenty of Republicans.

electricslpnsld 9y ago
> The bay area has plenty of Republicans. There are even Bay Area towns that are majority Republican (Atherton, Hillsborough). If we are talking San Francisco, look at the recent organized opposition to marijuana dispensaries for evidence of conservative values in action.

electricslpnsld 9y ago

> Try being conservative (or even moderate) in NYC Like Donald Trump? Hell, NYC elected a conservative as mayor (Rudy Giuliani).

so33 9y ago

Staten Island is notably known to be conservative (having voted for Trump in 2016). And it is in NYC, so...