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Interesting how when Obama used big data and targeted marketing to win, he was applauded and given accolades [1], but when Trump used big data and targeted mark

Interesting how when Obama used big data and targeted marketing to win, he was applauded and given accolades [1], but when Trump used big data and targeted marketing to win, he is painted as sinister and manipulative and evil. Almost like there is an anti trump propaganda narrative being pushed. Almost. [1] https://www.infoworld.com/article/2613587/big-data/the-real-story-of-how-big-data-analytics-helped-obama-win.html https://www.infoworld.com/article/2613587/big-data/the-real-...

ryguytilidie 9y ago
And its almost as though you're being as disingenuous as possible while trying to mock others for being dishonest. Why not just debate in reality versus saying "well, if I'm intentionally obtuse, I can find a way to make others look like hypocrites"? Who are you hoping will be convinced by BS like that?
- cat199 9y ago
  it's almost as though the post was being deliberately obtuse in order to be a bit sarcastic and tongue in cheek about it and has an expectation people would understand that.. almost
  - ryguytilidie 9y ago
    So you're saying they weren't actually doing that? Glad we agree.
alwayseasy 9y ago
Interesting how nuance is important: Obama's big data was public or obtained legally to supplement his campaign's ground game or TV buying. While Trump's big data was based on stolen data and used to discourage Democrats from voting.
- ryanlol 9y ago
  “stolen data”
  - alwayseasy 9y ago
    Didn't read any news this weekend?
    - ryanlol 9y ago
      Yes, and I’d still go with “stolen” over stolen. This data was handed out, not stolen.
res0nat0r 9y ago
> I ran the Obama 2008 data-driven microtargeting team. How dare you! We didn’t steal private Facebook profile data from voters under false pretenses. OFA voluntarily solicited opinions of hundreds of thousands of voters. We didn’t commit theft to do our groundbreaking work. https://twitter.com/mbsimon/status/975231597183229953 https://twitter.com/mbsimon/status/975231597183229953
stevenwoo 9y ago
From the article, CA got 270,000 people to install an app. They then used those people to find and download the data for 50,000,000 from those 270,000 users without asking the permission of those 50,000,000.
DonHopkins 9y ago
You're pushing a pro-Trump propaganda narrative by making a false equivalence between Obama's ethical legal use of data, and Trump's unethical theft of it.

ryguytilidie 9y ago

And its almost as though you're being as disingenuous as possible while trying to mock others for being dishonest. Why not just debate in reality versus saying "well, if I'm intentionally obtuse, I can find a way to make others look like hypocrites"? Who are you hoping will be convinced by BS like that?

cat199 9y ago
it's almost as though the post was being deliberately obtuse in order to be a bit sarcastic and tongue in cheek about it and has an expectation people would understand that.. almost
- ryguytilidie 9y ago
  So you're saying they weren't actually doing that? Glad we agree.

alwayseasy 9y ago

Interesting how nuance is important: Obama's big data was public or obtained legally to supplement his campaign's ground game or TV buying. While Trump's big data was based on stolen data and used to discourage Democrats from voting.

ryanlol 9y ago
“stolen data”
- alwayseasy 9y ago
  Didn't read any news this weekend?
  - ryanlol 9y ago
    Yes, and I’d still go with “stolen” over stolen. This data was handed out, not stolen.

res0nat0r 9y ago

> I ran the Obama 2008 data-driven microtargeting team. How dare you! We didn’t steal private Facebook profile data from voters under false pretenses. OFA voluntarily solicited opinions of hundreds of thousands of voters. We didn’t commit theft to do our groundbreaking work. https://twitter.com/mbsimon/status/975231597183229953 https://twitter.com/mbsimon/status/975231597183229953

stevenwoo 9y ago

From the article, CA got 270,000 people to install an app. They then used those people to find and download the data for 50,000,000 from those 270,000 users without asking the permission of those 50,000,000.

DonHopkins 9y ago

You're pushing a pro-Trump propaganda narrative by making a false equivalence between Obama's ethical legal use of data, and Trump's unethical theft of it.