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>these cafés attract in general "alternative" people. I've got no problem with that, but I'm a bit fed up with conspirationists, anti-nuclear, really left-wing
by blhack 9y ago
>these cafés attract in general "alternative" people. I've got no problem with that, but I'm a bit fed up with conspirationists, anti-nuclear, really left-wing people.
If anybody ever finds a solution to this, every hackerspace in the world would love to know what it is.
- quickthrower2 9y agoPrint a poster of a pyramid, an eye and "Annuit coeptis Novus ordo seclorum"
- enraged_camel 9y agoYou can tell it’s legit because it’s in Latin!
- lostlogin 9y agoHow do views on nuclear weapons/energy even come up? What are people bringing in?
- mulmen 9y agoHow do you know if someone is a conspiracy theorist? Don't worry, they'll tell you.
- gaius 9y agoOr a vegan, a cyclist, a crossfitter, an atheist...
- LifeLiverTransp 9y agoThe masses have assembled to be enligthend about my lifestyle, for im the chosen prophet of the church of me.
- ascorbic 9y ago> an atheist I'd imagine this only applies where atheists are in the minority
- pjscott 9y agoIt applies to atheists who suddenly stop being a tiny minority. Those who are still in a tiny persecuted minority keep their mouths shut, and those who've been in the majority for a while don't bother talking about it. (Sources: the bible belt, the bay area, and /r/atheism.)
- ascorbic 9y agoThat sounds about right.
- russdill 9y agoOr a Christian...
- sanbor 9y agoThey let you know by saying things like "For the love of God don't leave the soldering iron on" or "Jesus Christ you ruined our table".
- drdeca 9y agoI'm not sure how strong evidence those phrases are for that conclusion. Plenty of non-christians raised in a Christianity influenced social background, but not raised by Christians, use phrases like that.
- fyfy18 9y agoI was thinking about this the other day, and in the U.K. there are a lot of people who would say they are Christian if asked their religion, but really they are non-practicing or more likely atheists, but don’t want to admit it.
- kaybe 9y agoI saw a statistic once where they asked people whether it was true or false that one can only be moral if one believes in a higher power, sorted by country. The highest numbers reached more than 90%. With this in mind, things like your point make a lot of sense. http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/03/13/worldwide-many-see-belief-in-god-as-essential-to-morality/ http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/03/13/worldwide-many-see-belie...
- DoreenMichele 9y agoActually, that is "taking the lord's name in vain" and is quite frowned upon by a lot of Christians. I am not Christian, but I grew up in the Bible Belt and I am aware that is deemed to be a serious form of disrespect. I swear like a sailor, but I try to not take the lord's name in vain in public because I am aware it is deeply offensive to devout Christians, more so than my general tendency to use four letter words.
- asteli 9y agoHey, I'm an atheist, and I never do this!
- allendoerfer 9y agoThere should be an "upvote if intended irony" button on HN, where the author has to flag the post as irony beforehand and gets the upvote only if he did it, otherwise it becomes a downvote and vice versa.
- viraptor 9y agoBTW, I'm using Arch Linux.
- dorian-graph 9y agoAllow me to generalise a little, but from experience, people with those views (or who are very strongly opinionated), always seem to be able to bring those topics up.
- fiatpandas 9y agoThis is exactly my observation as well. You know the 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon thing? It’s like that but can happen in 3 degrees or less, and almost any crazy subject.
- emodendroket 9y agoHow would you know if there were counterexamples? By definition they would not be telling you about it.
- Baeocystin 9y agoWell, there was a time some rando flipped out after overhearing a conversation I was having regarding my tritium key fob. Frankly, I've found the overall environments in these sorts of cafes/hackerspaces to be frustratingly anti-social. And I am someone who would be considered fairly left-leaning overall. But good lord were my hopes dashed when it came to thinking I would meet other folks that would be fun to talk to, just because not 100% of my views line up with the accepted SV zeitgeist.
- jacobolus 9y agoIt’s unsurprising (and probably inevitable) that counter-cultural social clubs tend to attract nonconformists.
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- zeth___ 9y agoThere isn't a culture to be cultured against any more. This isn't 1960 where there is one medium that connects 75%+ of people. What you have now are a lot of different cultures.
- lactau 9y ago>This isn't 1960 where there is one medium that connects 75%+ of people. Was it ever like that though? Even in 1960?
- emodendroket 9y agoThat's definitely not true. Travel to some country on the other side of the world and you can appreciate for yourself that, subcultures aside, there is a large body of shared cultural beliefs and practices that most of us more or less share.
- zeth___ 9y agoIncluding the counter cultures. I've yet to meet genuine American socialists, even your hard communists sound like Christian Democrats with some odd ideas of race thrown in.
- emodendroket 9y agoI don't know if I'd say that, but the persistent idea that we're all charting a unique ideological course from first principles is, I think, somewhat characteristic.
- Angostura 9y agoIt would be worth reviewing all the branding and the marketing plans, if you really wanted to solve this. Is it being positioned in such a way to be attractive to conventional, non-politically engaged?
- nerdponx 9y agoThis is an under-appreciated element in grassroots campaigning. How does it look to potential sympathetic outsiders?
- narrator 9y agoI find that the biotech hackerspaces I've gone to don't have this problem. That's because the biotech equipment is not really amenable to back to the land post apocalyptic use and it takes a while to learn how to use it to be able to do anything productive. A lot of kooks think that they can throw some bits together and make an iron man suit. If they actually found out how much work it is to actually make simple things, I think they'd lose interest. Maybe have people have to take a class or two on how to use the equipment before they can join?
- rojobuffalo 9y ago> Maybe have people have to take a class or two on how to use the equipment before they can join? That's how Dallas Maker Space does it and seems like a good approach. I did the wood shop orientation and decided not to join because I had to postpone the project I was planning. But I don't know whether that filters out the annoyances mentioned.
- vanderZwan 9y agoWell, one would expect the "no Frankenfoods!"-crowd to avoid places that call themselves biotech hackerspaces.
- LifeLiverTransp 9y agoEvery goa party attracts esoteric folks- all i wanted to do is to dance to psy-trance, instead i have to listen to a half hour talk about demeter-tomatos. To be honest, if i get really bored, i start some fantasy tales myself- just to see if there is a point, those people will call me out for rambling nonsense. One of these days, i guess.
- blhack 9y agoSide note: do you mean actual parties in goa, India? Would love to know about this! I spend time in that area every year.
- biztos 9y agoSide note to your side note: I don't know what the parent was referring to but if I had to guess, I'd guess Goa Parties (which are a thing) as opposed to Parties in Goa. Goa Parties (in my experience anyway) involve Goa Trance music[0] and are sort of their own subculture but it involves people from all walks, e.g. from Burning Man techie decompressionists to German hippies and beyond. Oh, and drugs, though not mandatory. But I'm no expert so maybe ask an expert if you're interested in this kind of thing. I bet there are also Goa Parties in Goa. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goa_trance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goa_trance
- dolzenko 9y agoJust curious - who are 'techie decompressionists'? :)
- rendaw 9y agoI think techies who want to decompress.
- thecrazyone 9y agohaha :D
- spondyl 9y agoI'm genuinely curious as to what would be left wing conspiracies? I don't doubt they exist but googling "Left wing conspiracy theories" quite literally brings up a list of "Right wing conspiracy theories".
- jdavis703 9y agoOften times it's the same as right wing theories. The government is using flouride in the water to control the population. Contrails are actually chemical spraying. 9/11 was an inside job, etc. I've heard these from both friends who are both left wing or apolitical.
- coldelectrons 9y agoA favorite moment of mine was telling a flat-earther about the hollow earth theory. The look on his face was priceless.
- Dove 9y agoConcave earth is hands down my favorite conspiracy theory. The completeness of the lie is astonishing. I actually spent months trying to come up with a way to disprove it on a high-school-education only-trust-your-eyes shoestring budget, and couldn't come up with much.
- kaybe 9y agoThe most visible point I've seen is that the seasonal star constellations you know well (Orion in my case) will be seen as inverted if you change the hemisphere. The moon and sun position also change greatly. I'm not aware of any ideas that incorporate this. It takes either time or money to see for yourself though.
- dguest 9y agoThis is a fun read on wikipeida [1]. I'm curious as to how you could disprove it at all: there's a perfectly valid coordinate transformation that maps our "infinity" to the center of the earth, and the center of the earth to infinity. All the laws of physics become position-dependent, of course, and it's not a convenient space for calculations, but it "proves" that the concave earth is a perfectly valid way of describing the universe. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth#Concave_Hollow_Earths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth#Concave_Hollow_Ea...
- fancyfacebook 9y agoYeah today in "not actually a real problem in the physical world" we deal with the plague of really left wing people and their anti-nuclear rhetoric that is plaguing hackerspaces across the globe. Can't we just fission in peace? These monsters are insatiable. How can we stop this epidemic before it's too late?