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Correction... Microsoft /has made/ some excellent products. Here are some more for the list: Xbox SharePoint Sql Server DirectX Visual Studio Expression S
by White_N_Nerdy 16y ago
Correction... Microsoft /has made/ some excellent products. Here are some more for the list:
Xbox
SharePoint
Sql Server
DirectX
Visual Studio
Expression Studio
Team Foundation
Team Viewer
Windows Server
- bni 16y agoMost of those are "mee too products". Not breaking new ground, and certainly not the best of options.
- chc 16y agoXbox was revolutionary. Online multiplayer on a console had been tried many times before — as far back as the Sega Genesis and as recently as the Xbox's rival, Playstation 2 — and failed miserably every time. Microsoft was the first company to make it work, and their current implementation is still probably the best. And I don't know any developer who would dismiss Visual Studio. In most regards, it's a best-of-breed IDE.
- vetinari 16y ago> And I don't know any developer who would dismiss Visual Studio. You are new around here, right? Make yourself comfortable and you will know droves of them in no time. ;)
- chc 16y agoI would be fascinated to hear from them. I know lots of developers don't use Visual Studio for some reason or another (I'm one of them), but I've never heard anyone call Visual Studio a poor IDE.
- kabdib 16y agoI edit in Emacs, then build and debug in VS (when I can). It's a good combo and less clumsy than it sounds.
- wglb 16y agoI used VS for the better part of my 10-year stint at a BFE, and it served rather well. However, i would be reluctant to go back to it having spent serious quality time with emacs. The plus about it is that it has all the stuff that you need to build the final payload/program/assembly/whatever. My discomfort with it these days would be that it requires too much mouse work. (And best-of-breed sounds very BFE, or something that Gartner would say, hardly the people I would look to to know what is going on).
- chc 16y agoHeh, I don't know a better word for it. That's how people who are enthusiastic about IDEs tend to talk. I would hesitate to call it "awesome" or anything like that, but among IDEs, it's well thought-of.
- mryall 16y agoJava IDEs like Eclipse and IntelliJ made VS look like a toy until very recent editions. No built-in refactoring support, limited configurability for keyboard shortcuts, minimal integration with external build tools and SCM systems -- it was horrible going back to C# development from Java when I was doing both in 2005-2006.
- rapind 16y agoNot sure where eclipse is at now but I have less than fond memories of that beast. I did most of my java coding in ultraedit so I could actually listen to mp3s at the same time back then. Not that I had a lot of love for VS either, but I don't remember it ever running as heavy as eclipse.
- thehigherlife 16y agoHave you ever had to support sharepoint? I don't know if I'd consider it an excellent product.
- dmor 16y agoIt makes $1 billion per year
- philwelch 16y agoLots of crappy products make $1 billion per year, especially enterprise products.
- blasdel 16y agoAs bad as Sharepoint is, most of its competitors are much worse and also make huge piles of money.
- rbanffy 16y agoNothing can be much worse than Sharepoint. edit: there are categories of software that have representatives that are more dysfunctional than Sharepoint. Still, Sharepoint is pretty much the worst document management/intranet package you can find.
- rbanffy 16y ago> SharePoint You must be kidding...
- kabdib 16y agoGod, that thing /sucks/.
- rit 16y agoPoint of clarification - They bought the source code for SQL Server from Sybase; the foundations of the product weren't created at Microsoft. The wire protocol is still heavily compliant with sybase.