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You equate driving cars and living on superfund sites with consuming illicit substances and wilfully committing violent acts, and then have the audacity to call

You equate driving cars and living on superfund sites with consuming illicit substances and wilfully committing violent acts, and then have the audacity to call someone else's contribution juvenile? Does personal responsibility exist in your ivory tower? What sort of convoluted logic could possibly drive you to equate necessities of life, or constraints of circumstance, with such antisocial choices? We're talking about smoking marijuana and stealing expensive clothing, after all, not theft of food for subsistence. Why is it that any time race is brought up, any argument that even has the potential to cast minorities in negative light is immediately shouted down with any sort of logic or reason thrown out the window? What about objectivity? We cannot shout down potential truths simply because they have unpleasant implications.

jonathanyc 9y ago
> What sort of convoluted logic could possibly drive you to equate necessities of life, or constraints of circumstance, with such antisocial choices? That you consider all drug use “antisocial” is revealing; that you think the need to use a car would exert more pressure on the average person than an environment which encourages drug use from a young age is telling. Your use of the term “ivory tower” is ironic when your assumptions are based on a kind of life that many Americans do not inhabit. There is such a thing as personal responsibility. I would argue that most drug use is not a good idea. I think environments that encourage people to make bad decisions should be repaired. But to argue that “just one drop” of bad decision making justifies massively unfair treatment is an argument that is as intellectually demeaning as it is dangerously naive. Would you argue in favor of a law that puts people in jail for doing something “antisocial” like using bad language, and that is predominately enforced against people of a particular race? No one needs to use foul language, but having done so does not give us carte blanche to hate. As my final comment, your unprompted use of the term “ivory tower” and your ominous reference to “unpleasant implications” regarding race suspect that you are trying to bring another argument into this discussion in which I have no interest. This is my final reply.
- allthenews 9y ago
  Perhaps you should be more concerned about the actual discussion, rather than forcing caricatures onto those who have opinions you do not agree with. How predictable that you ignored my reference to violent crime. The only thing here that is telling is the desperation in your babble to paint people as bigots, strawmanning about foul language, single drops, and other such nonsense. >suspect that you are trying to bring another argument into this discussion Perhaps in future comments you should spend less time suspecting, and more time actually reading the posts you reply to. For the record, I do not believe that responsible drug use is antisocial, and I deliberately made my comment ambiguous, as I expect you to ignore the parts that were inconvenient to your narrative, as you have done.

jonathanyc 9y ago

> What sort of convoluted logic could possibly drive you to equate necessities of life, or constraints of circumstance, with such antisocial choices? That you consider all drug use “antisocial” is revealing; that you think the need to use a car would exert more pressure on the average person than an environment which encourages drug use from a young age is telling. Your use of the term “ivory tower” is ironic when your assumptions are based on a kind of life that many Americans do not inhabit. There is such a thing as personal responsibility. I would argue that most drug use is not a good idea. I think environments that encourage people to make bad decisions should be repaired. But to argue that “just one drop” of bad decision making justifies massively unfair treatment is an argument that is as intellectually demeaning as it is dangerously naive. Would you argue in favor of a law that puts people in jail for doing something “antisocial” like using bad language, and that is predominately enforced against people of a particular race? No one needs to use foul language, but having done so does not give us carte blanche to hate. As my final comment, your unprompted use of the term “ivory tower” and your ominous reference to “unpleasant implications” regarding race suspect that you are trying to bring another argument into this discussion in which I have no interest. This is my final reply.

allthenews 9y ago
Perhaps you should be more concerned about the actual discussion, rather than forcing caricatures onto those who have opinions you do not agree with. How predictable that you ignored my reference to violent crime. The only thing here that is telling is the desperation in your babble to paint people as bigots, strawmanning about foul language, single drops, and other such nonsense. >suspect that you are trying to bring another argument into this discussion Perhaps in future comments you should spend less time suspecting, and more time actually reading the posts you reply to. For the record, I do not believe that responsible drug use is antisocial, and I deliberately made my comment ambiguous, as I expect you to ignore the parts that were inconvenient to your narrative, as you have done.