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How could they? Americans are too paranoid to allow an ID card, much less a centrally tracked loyalty-points number to use at party-owned shopping, transit, uti

How could they? Americans are too paranoid to allow an ID card, much less a centrally tracked loyalty-points number to use at party-owned shopping, transit, utility, housing....

nielsbot 9y ago
Are we not getting a national ID card soon? (State drivers' licenses that meet certain requirements.)
- rhcom2 9y ago
  You're thinking of the REAL ID. It's controversial if it counts as "national ID" or not but it's mostly linking state databases and settings a standard for security. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act
_emacsomancer_ 9y ago
In the US there are mandatory Social Security numbers; one needs photo ID to do much of anything; and there certainly are credit scores.
- hueving 9y ago
  The large population of undocumented immigrants begs to differ.
  - DoreenMichele 9y ago
    And homeless people who have lost IDs etc yet fail to promptly die and find ways to even get online.
  - rorykoehler 9y ago
    How many have a bank account?
  - nraynaud 9y ago
    This population has a shit life of pariahs, getting ripped off at the work place, avoiding check points on the road, worrying of being Anne Franked by ICE, never leaving the country, and generally avoiding airports and train stations.
  - _emacsomancer_ 9y ago
    Ok, as a regular citizen, in order to go to school, university, hold a regular job, etc. the things I mentioned are unavoidable.
timdev2 9y ago
I'm worried that paranoia is a thing of the past. I somewhat concerned that a (free) national ID scheme will be the result of the "Voter ID" push from the GOP in recent years.
emodendroket 9y ago
I think if you saw a similar system implemented in the US it would happen mostly with private companies doing it. The obvious place to start is some combination of social media and your credit card records. Crawling through your e-mails, search history, and Internet activity is another likely avenue.
sooheon 9y ago
Heard of the no fly list?

How could they? Americans are too paranoid to allow an ID card, much less a centrally tracked loyalty-points number to use at party-owned shopping, transit, utility, housing....

nielsbot 9y ago

Are we not getting a national ID card soon? (State drivers' licenses that meet certain requirements.)

rhcom2 9y ago
You're thinking of the REAL ID. It's controversial if it counts as "national ID" or not but it's mostly linking state databases and settings a standard for security. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act

_emacsomancer_ 9y ago

In the US there are mandatory Social Security numbers; one needs photo ID to do much of anything; and there certainly are credit scores.

hueving 9y ago
The large population of undocumented immigrants begs to differ.
- DoreenMichele 9y ago
  And homeless people who have lost IDs etc yet fail to promptly die and find ways to even get online.
- rorykoehler 9y ago
  How many have a bank account?
- nraynaud 9y ago
  This population has a shit life of pariahs, getting ripped off at the work place, avoiding check points on the road, worrying of being Anne Franked by ICE, never leaving the country, and generally avoiding airports and train stations.
- _emacsomancer_ 9y ago
  Ok, as a regular citizen, in order to go to school, university, hold a regular job, etc. the things I mentioned are unavoidable.

timdev2 9y ago

I'm worried that paranoia is a thing of the past. I somewhat concerned that a (free) national ID scheme will be the result of the "Voter ID" push from the GOP in recent years.

emodendroket 9y ago

I think if you saw a similar system implemented in the US it would happen mostly with private companies doing it. The obvious place to start is some combination of social media and your credit card records. Crawling through your e-mails, search history, and Internet activity is another likely avenue.

sooheon 9y ago

Heard of the no fly list?