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To be fair we ban people with felony convictions from huge swathes of jobs, formally or informally, even if the crime happened decades ago. Also, good luck find

To be fair we ban people with felony convictions from huge swathes of jobs, formally or informally, even if the crime happened decades ago. Also, good luck finding a place to live legally if you've been convicted of a sex crime.

walterbell 9y ago
From https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/business/economy/labor-market-inmates.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/business/economy/labor-ma... "A rapidly tightening labor market is forcing companies across the country to consider workers they once would have turned away. That is providing opportunities to people who have long faced barriers to employment, such as criminal records, disabilities or prolonged bouts of joblessness."
- murph-almighty 9y ago
  "the free market solves all problems" It's funny that this is happening with minimal legislative action (not that I'm okay with that)
bkohlmann 9y ago
We ban them after due process procedures are complete - which often involves knowing your accused crime and accuser, lengthy evidence gathering, and impartial trials. As I understand the Chinese social capital system, there is no due process, you may not even know if you've been cited for anything until the punishment comes, and violations are identified without appeal.
- namelost 9y ago
  What use is due process if everybody is guilty of some crime? Have you ever changed a URL parameter against a ToS? Felony computer hacking!
- johan_larson 9y ago
  More than 90% of criminal convictions are the result of pleas, not trials. Few people can come up with the sort of money needed to mount a serious defense to a criminal charge. And in some cases the state can take your money up front, so you definitely don't have the resources to mount a defense.
  - bkohlmann 9y ago
    You're right - and the plea process is part and parcel of Western due process. You're still facing an accuser and know what crime you're being charged for. You have legal council - even if court appointed - helping you make the plea. None of which apply under the "social credit" system.
  - dapreja 9y ago
    Shit like this scares the crap out of me thinking i might one day have an unpaid parking ticket that flew off.
tokai 9y ago
>we ban people We are not all Americans. Most of the Free World does not see the USA as a lodestar in how to treat criminals.
- getsugablitz2 9y ago
  I really don't think the original commenter was implying that everyone was an American or that the American system was the proper way to do things, especially based on his/her other posts. I see this kind of comment all the time, and it doesn't appear to be constructive but antagonistic.

walterbell 9y ago

From https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/business/economy/labor-market-inmates.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/business/economy/labor-ma... "A rapidly tightening labor market is forcing companies across the country to consider workers they once would have turned away. That is providing opportunities to people who have long faced barriers to employment, such as criminal records, disabilities or prolonged bouts of joblessness."

murph-almighty 9y ago
"the free market solves all problems" It's funny that this is happening with minimal legislative action (not that I'm okay with that)

bkohlmann 9y ago

We ban them after due process procedures are complete - which often involves knowing your accused crime and accuser, lengthy evidence gathering, and impartial trials. As I understand the Chinese social capital system, there is no due process, you may not even know if you've been cited for anything until the punishment comes, and violations are identified without appeal.

namelost 9y ago
What use is due process if everybody is guilty of some crime? Have you ever changed a URL parameter against a ToS? Felony computer hacking!
johan_larson 9y ago
More than 90% of criminal convictions are the result of pleas, not trials. Few people can come up with the sort of money needed to mount a serious defense to a criminal charge. And in some cases the state can take your money up front, so you definitely don't have the resources to mount a defense.
- bkohlmann 9y ago
  You're right - and the plea process is part and parcel of Western due process. You're still facing an accuser and know what crime you're being charged for. You have legal council - even if court appointed - helping you make the plea. None of which apply under the "social credit" system.
- dapreja 9y ago
  Shit like this scares the crap out of me thinking i might one day have an unpaid parking ticket that flew off.

tokai 9y ago

>we ban people We are not all Americans. Most of the Free World does not see the USA as a lodestar in how to treat criminals.

getsugablitz2 9y ago
I really don't think the original commenter was implying that everyone was an American or that the American system was the proper way to do things, especially based on his/her other posts. I see this kind of comment all the time, and it doesn't appear to be constructive but antagonistic.