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If anyone wants to see some of the negative effects of a persistent 'social score' that affects real life I recommend this Black Mirror episode: https://en.wiki

If anyone wants to see some of the negative effects of a persistent 'social score' that affects real life I recommend this Black Mirror episode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive.

azakai 9y ago
The Electric Dreams episode "Safe and Sound" also explores these issues, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6980876/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6980876/
- miketery 9y ago
  I was thinking you were going to link to "Kill all Others" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6912900/?ref_=ttep_ep7 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6912900/?ref_=ttep_ep7
thriftwy 9y ago
I like how in Nosedive, nobody is ever having fun. I mean, guests at the party (spoiler) should be amused at the ghost of the maid and the scandal, filming it and all - especially young guys. It should go completely viral. Instead they stand frowning as if they're 70 - to avoid hurting their score. Under social credit society, everybody will be forced to act like they're at the end of their life path.
- ajmurmann 9y ago
  The interesting thing and probably the point of the episode is that that's already what's happening in social media right now if you want to keep your followers.
  - thriftwy 9y ago
    I don't know what kind of people friend boring self-promoters. The problem here, there's not enough eyeballs. They end up friending each other and then pretending they have a huge crowd. And then there's real content, viral content, assertive content. In short, life. Social credit system fights life because life doesn't follow rules, life doesn't care about likes and life doesn't climb their ladder. So naturally I expect harsh sanctions for anything viral or any unexpected flash mobs in such systems.
wehadfun 9y ago
Yea that episode the "credit" was objective based on random people's opinions. According to the article, they claim that you have to not pay fines, or smoke on a train to ruin your social credit.
- ajmurmann 9y ago
  Or "spread falsehoods about terrorism". You are totally right about the episode though.
- jandrese 9y ago
  Or piss off some random party official, or have non-mainstream political opinions, etc... Once a system like this is in place it will be abused. It's practically designed to be abused. Where is the accountability?
  - mrhappyunhappy 9y ago
    It's a recipe for a distopian clusterfuck.
jandrese 9y ago
This is the first thing I thought of as well. Once thing I kind of liked about that episode is that it was backwards from a normal Black Mirror episode. Normally they try to make the technology look fun and useful at first before they do the flip and make it horrible and dehumanizing. This episode started out like the end of a normal episode and ended with the main character doing a white girl rap battle with some random dude.
- crispyporkbites 9y ago
  What’s a white girl rap battle? I don’t remember anything like that
  - jandrese 9y ago
    When she's thrown in the glass jail cell and starts hurling insults across the walkway at the random dude (and him back) rap battle style. It's the first (and only) time in the entire episode where she seems like she's actually having fun. And this is a girl who can sell the "I'm not having fun" while blitzing through the woods on a quadbike.
    - mercer 9y ago
      Ha, that's a wonderful description of that episode :).
ghrifter 9y ago
Sourcing a fictional tale? Lol. Why not use a study of real hard evidence instead of some fantasy, even if the "plot" seems plausible.
javajosh 9y ago
Or, a more light-hearted take, a few years before Nosedive: http://community-sitcom.wikia.com/wiki/MeowMeowBeenz http://community-sitcom.wikia.com/wiki/MeowMeowBeenz
pensiveforns 9y ago
Isn't that episode the opposite of this? In that episode, it was other people giving you a score, e.g. democracy. In this case, it's the government giving you a score.

azakai 9y ago

The Electric Dreams episode "Safe and Sound" also explores these issues, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6980876/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6980876/

miketery 9y ago
I was thinking you were going to link to "Kill all Others" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6912900/?ref_=ttep_ep7 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6912900/?ref_=ttep_ep7

thriftwy 9y ago

I like how in Nosedive, nobody is ever having fun. I mean, guests at the party (spoiler) should be amused at the ghost of the maid and the scandal, filming it and all - especially young guys. It should go completely viral. Instead they stand frowning as if they're 70 - to avoid hurting their score. Under social credit society, everybody will be forced to act like they're at the end of their life path.

ajmurmann 9y ago
The interesting thing and probably the point of the episode is that that's already what's happening in social media right now if you want to keep your followers.
- thriftwy 9y ago
  I don't know what kind of people friend boring self-promoters. The problem here, there's not enough eyeballs. They end up friending each other and then pretending they have a huge crowd. And then there's real content, viral content, assertive content. In short, life. Social credit system fights life because life doesn't follow rules, life doesn't care about likes and life doesn't climb their ladder. So naturally I expect harsh sanctions for anything viral or any unexpected flash mobs in such systems.

wehadfun 9y ago

Yea that episode the "credit" was objective based on random people's opinions. According to the article, they claim that you have to not pay fines, or smoke on a train to ruin your social credit.

ajmurmann 9y ago
Or "spread falsehoods about terrorism". You are totally right about the episode though.
jandrese 9y ago
Or piss off some random party official, or have non-mainstream political opinions, etc... Once a system like this is in place it will be abused. It's practically designed to be abused. Where is the accountability?
- mrhappyunhappy 9y ago
  It's a recipe for a distopian clusterfuck.

jandrese 9y ago

This is the first thing I thought of as well. Once thing I kind of liked about that episode is that it was backwards from a normal Black Mirror episode. Normally they try to make the technology look fun and useful at first before they do the flip and make it horrible and dehumanizing. This episode started out like the end of a normal episode and ended with the main character doing a white girl rap battle with some random dude.

crispyporkbites 9y ago
What’s a white girl rap battle? I don’t remember anything like that
- jandrese 9y ago
  When she's thrown in the glass jail cell and starts hurling insults across the walkway at the random dude (and him back) rap battle style. It's the first (and only) time in the entire episode where she seems like she's actually having fun. And this is a girl who can sell the "I'm not having fun" while blitzing through the woods on a quadbike.
  - mercer 9y ago
    Ha, that's a wonderful description of that episode :).

ghrifter 9y ago

Sourcing a fictional tale? Lol. Why not use a study of real hard evidence instead of some fantasy, even if the "plot" seems plausible.

javajosh 9y ago

Or, a more light-hearted take, a few years before Nosedive: http://community-sitcom.wikia.com/wiki/MeowMeowBeenz http://community-sitcom.wikia.com/wiki/MeowMeowBeenz

pensiveforns 9y ago

Isn't that episode the opposite of this? In that episode, it was other people giving you a score, e.g. democracy. In this case, it's the government giving you a score.