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I have a Matias Ergo Pro. It's a brilliant split keyboard. Great quiet but tactile switches, tenting, etc. But the QC is terrible. The interconnect cable had c

I have a Matias Ergo Pro. It's a brilliant split keyboard. Great quiet but tactile switches, tenting, etc. But the QC is terrible. The interconnect cable had connection issues, keys are often 'stuck' (not physically, just keeps repeating until I press it again), etc. And the internet is full with complaints. It's a pity, but I would not recommend them right now. (I've sent it back then got a new one with exactly the same issues, then I didn't bother in the end even though I paid more than 200 Euros for it.)

tuananh 9y ago
for me, the problem is the key (pressing 1 time resulting in 2 chars, not sure what's the proper term for that)
- tincholio 9y ago
  key chatter is the term you're looking for. You can usually fix it in your OS keyboard settings (increasing a bit the repeat delay)
  - arm 9y ago
    Yep, also known as key bounce (happens when a key bottoms out and bounces up slightly which results in an unwanted key repeat).
  - userbinator 9y ago
    If it's insufficient debouncing in the hardware, then something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FilterKeys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FilterKeys might help as a workaround, but it's ultimately a hardware problem.
  - tuananh 9y ago
    but it just happens to a single key. i think it's defect rather than os settings
    - swampangel 9y ago
      It is a physical problem with the key. You can fix it by disassembling the key and cleaning the contacts: Original guide - https://imgur.com/a/elAFF#0 https://imgur.com/a/elAFF#0 Thread with context - https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2hjct6/help_opening_a_matias_switch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2hjct6... However, this is really Matias's problem to resolve. Supposedly the switch or the assembly process has been redesigned to prevent this problem in the newest batch, but I don't know if it's a proven success.
      - tuananh 9y ago
        thanks for the tip but i have moved on to other boards. this was a few years back.
    - tincholio 9y ago
      It is a defect, but you can work around it by using those settings.
monsieurbanana 9y ago
Paid 150 euros for mine (matias silent something), was faulty (some keys would either not record a press, or record twice), asked for a replacement. Replacement had the same problem. 150 euros thrown. Otherwise an awesome keyboard, that I'll never recommend to anyone.
kgtm 9y ago
I echo this. When my TKL KBParadise with Matias Quiet Click switches started misbehaving I was quite disappointed to find out that chatter is a common defect of Matias switches. Don't like the stabilizers either. Should have stuck with Cherry MX Browns, by far my favorite switch.
FranOntanaya 9y ago
Same here. Even soldering and replacing switches couldn't keep it going. The switches had a thin metal contact that has to bend to close the circuit and it'd just break after little use.
arnvald 9y ago
Unfortunately I've had the same experience. 1st keyboard: connectivity issues after 2 months, got replacement 2nd keyboard: some keys (4-5 letters) detected two presses when I pressed a button, got replacement 3rd keyboard: same issue as 2nd one, with different keys. Then I gave up and switched back to my old keyboard.
Nexxxeh 9y ago
There's very possible still some value in the keyboard. Someone over at /r/Mechanicalkeyboards would certainly take a look. It might be a matter of removing the current controller chip and putting in something custom. Or removing the switches and using them in a new design. They've put more effort into less.
jseliger 9y ago
But the QC is terrible. The interconnect cable had connection issues, keys are often 'stuck' (not physically, just keeps repeating until I press it again), etc. Ages ago I had a Matias keyboard: https://jakeseliger.com/2007/10/18/product-review-matias-tactile-pro-2 https://jakeseliger.com/2007/10/18/product-review-matias-tac... Never again.
castillar76 9y ago
I had exactly the same problem with the Ergo Pro, with exactly the same resolution: within a year, it was simply untenable to continue using it due to repetitive key issues. It's a shame, because I actually liked the feel of their keyswitches, but it was starting to drive me nuts the number of times I'd have to correct something, to say nothing of the number of mangled vi and zsh commands that resulted from a stuck "r" or "t". I really liked the split layout, though, and going back to a tenkeyless non-split keyboard started to bug my wrists. Fortunately, Kinesis now has a split keyboard that uses genuine CherryMX switches, and it's been terrific: the combination of a split, adjustable keyboard with actual mechanical switches has finally made my wrists and fingers happy.

tuananh 9y ago

for me, the problem is the key (pressing 1 time resulting in 2 chars, not sure what's the proper term for that)

tincholio 9y ago
key chatter is the term you're looking for. You can usually fix it in your OS keyboard settings (increasing a bit the repeat delay)
- arm 9y ago
  Yep, also known as key bounce (happens when a key bottoms out and bounces up slightly which results in an unwanted key repeat).
- userbinator 9y ago
  If it's insufficient debouncing in the hardware, then something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FilterKeys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FilterKeys might help as a workaround, but it's ultimately a hardware problem.
- tuananh 9y ago
  but it just happens to a single key. i think it's defect rather than os settings
  - swampangel 9y ago
    It is a physical problem with the key. You can fix it by disassembling the key and cleaning the contacts: Original guide - https://imgur.com/a/elAFF#0 https://imgur.com/a/elAFF#0 Thread with context - https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2hjct6/help_opening_a_matias_switch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2hjct6... However, this is really Matias's problem to resolve. Supposedly the switch or the assembly process has been redesigned to prevent this problem in the newest batch, but I don't know if it's a proven success.
    - tuananh 9y ago
      thanks for the tip but i have moved on to other boards. this was a few years back.
  - tincholio 9y ago
    It is a defect, but you can work around it by using those settings.

monsieurbanana 9y ago

Paid 150 euros for mine (matias silent something), was faulty (some keys would either not record a press, or record twice), asked for a replacement. Replacement had the same problem. 150 euros thrown. Otherwise an awesome keyboard, that I'll never recommend to anyone.

kgtm 9y ago

I echo this. When my TKL KBParadise with Matias Quiet Click switches started misbehaving I was quite disappointed to find out that chatter is a common defect of Matias switches. Don't like the stabilizers either. Should have stuck with Cherry MX Browns, by far my favorite switch.

FranOntanaya 9y ago

Same here. Even soldering and replacing switches couldn't keep it going. The switches had a thin metal contact that has to bend to close the circuit and it'd just break after little use.

arnvald 9y ago

Unfortunately I've had the same experience. 1st keyboard: connectivity issues after 2 months, got replacement 2nd keyboard: some keys (4-5 letters) detected two presses when I pressed a button, got replacement 3rd keyboard: same issue as 2nd one, with different keys. Then I gave up and switched back to my old keyboard.

Nexxxeh 9y ago

There's very possible still some value in the keyboard. Someone over at /r/Mechanicalkeyboards would certainly take a look. It might be a matter of removing the current controller chip and putting in something custom. Or removing the switches and using them in a new design. They've put more effort into less.

jseliger 9y ago

But the QC is terrible. The interconnect cable had connection issues, keys are often 'stuck' (not physically, just keeps repeating until I press it again), etc. Ages ago I had a Matias keyboard: https://jakeseliger.com/2007/10/18/product-review-matias-tactile-pro-2 https://jakeseliger.com/2007/10/18/product-review-matias-tac... Never again.

castillar76 9y ago

I had exactly the same problem with the Ergo Pro, with exactly the same resolution: within a year, it was simply untenable to continue using it due to repetitive key issues. It's a shame, because I actually liked the feel of their keyswitches, but it was starting to drive me nuts the number of times I'd have to correct something, to say nothing of the number of mangled vi and zsh commands that resulted from a stuck "r" or "t". I really liked the split layout, though, and going back to a tenkeyless non-split keyboard started to bug my wrists. Fortunately, Kinesis now has a split keyboard that uses genuine CherryMX switches, and it's been terrific: the combination of a split, adjustable keyboard with actual mechanical switches has finally made my wrists and fingers happy.