In a civil discussion, the whole notion of the opposite side whose points necessarily contradict yours and should be refuted can make the conversation counterpr

In a civil discussion, the whole notion of the opposite side whose points necessarily contradict yours and should be refuted can make the conversation counterproductive. Most of these political threads are useless for exactly this reason - they usually descend to participants getting locked inside their bubbles or even passively implying other participants are either bots or trolls, without any downvoting.