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> If I leave my door unlocked can I really blame <bad person> for opening my door and robbing me? Yes, you can and should.

by duck 9y ago

akhilcacharya 9y ago
I'm in full agreement, and I'm shocked that this argument is used so much. Even when faced with a vulnerability, it is absolutely the thief's responsibility if they take advantage of the vulnerability for their own gain.
- jstarfish 9y ago
  The adversary in question isn't accountable to our laws. There is no "thief's responsibility." There's just "you got pwned, you have no recourse, now it's your problem." For all intents and purposes, that thief may as well be a crocodile who slips in during the night and eats your children. We can put it on trial or negotiate with it about as effectively. Was Equifax blameless in the events leading up to their breach? They could have prevented it, but they didn't. Or do we only expect responsibility from criminals and corporations?
  - yborg 9y ago
    So your argument is that Russia or any other nation state that behaves this way is an amoral entity like a crocodile? This is absurd, nations consist of human beings that can understand concepts of right or wrong and behave appropriately. If your argument is correct, and the adversary is amoral and driven only by the opportunity to take advantage of weakness, the other nations at risk by this entity should logically band together and destroy it.
    - jstarfish 9y ago
      If they behaved appropriately, we wouldn't be debating their capacity to destroy our infrastructure for the fun of it. We aren't at war with them. Where is the sense of right and wrong? Why are they trying to harm us? Why won't they extradite the persons responsible for their alleged damage to date so we may seek justice? I'm not advocating a crocodile hunt FFS, only that if they aren't going to play by our rules then maybe we should take responsibility for our own security by locking shit down, and stop acting like pointing the finger at the bad guy of the day somehow shields us from the consequences of mal-intent.
      - Farlin 9y ago
        You can play offense and defense... saying it’s either or is a very simplistic mindset. The international community has the capability to both secure from bad actors, and punish bad actors. Sometimes force is necessary and it’s prudent that it be used with Russia.
  - McFarlin 9y ago
    So Russia is a mindless predator in the international swimming pool? Time to kill the croc.
  - Farlin 9y ago
    So Russia is a mindless predator in the international swimming pool? Time to kill the croc.

> If I leave my door unlocked can I really blame <bad person> for opening my door and robbing me? Yes, you can and should.

by duck 9y ago

> If I leave my door unlocked can I really blame <bad person> for opening my door and robbing me? Yes, you can and should.

akhilcacharya 9y ago

I'm in full agreement, and I'm shocked that this argument is used so much. Even when faced with a vulnerability, it is absolutely the thief's responsibility if they take advantage of the vulnerability for their own gain.

jstarfish 9y ago
The adversary in question isn't accountable to our laws. There is no "thief's responsibility." There's just "you got pwned, you have no recourse, now it's your problem." For all intents and purposes, that thief may as well be a crocodile who slips in during the night and eats your children. We can put it on trial or negotiate with it about as effectively. Was Equifax blameless in the events leading up to their breach? They could have prevented it, but they didn't. Or do we only expect responsibility from criminals and corporations?
- yborg 9y ago
  So your argument is that Russia or any other nation state that behaves this way is an amoral entity like a crocodile? This is absurd, nations consist of human beings that can understand concepts of right or wrong and behave appropriately. If your argument is correct, and the adversary is amoral and driven only by the opportunity to take advantage of weakness, the other nations at risk by this entity should logically band together and destroy it.
  - jstarfish 9y ago
    If they behaved appropriately, we wouldn't be debating their capacity to destroy our infrastructure for the fun of it. We aren't at war with them. Where is the sense of right and wrong? Why are they trying to harm us? Why won't they extradite the persons responsible for their alleged damage to date so we may seek justice? I'm not advocating a crocodile hunt FFS, only that if they aren't going to play by our rules then maybe we should take responsibility for our own security by locking shit down, and stop acting like pointing the finger at the bad guy of the day somehow shields us from the consequences of mal-intent.
    - Farlin 9y ago
      You can play offense and defense... saying it’s either or is a very simplistic mindset. The international community has the capability to both secure from bad actors, and punish bad actors. Sometimes force is necessary and it’s prudent that it be used with Russia.
- McFarlin 9y ago
  So Russia is a mindless predator in the international swimming pool? Time to kill the croc.
- Farlin 9y ago
  So Russia is a mindless predator in the international swimming pool? Time to kill the croc.