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The more I see it the more it looks like these guys are getting ready for a war. The 2016 election hacks seem to have been a decade-long plan. I hope it never c

The more I see it the more it looks like these guys are getting ready for a war. The 2016 election hacks seem to have been a decade-long plan. I hope it never comes to this. At a time when the country is divided, we may have trouble responding.

jimnotgym 9y ago
If you add that to the nerve gas assassination attempts in the UK this week it is time to look hard at how Russia has infiltrated the west.
- hunta2097 9y ago
  It wasn't a gas, it was a powder (most likely). Russia's activities are probably more inward looking than outward. On March 18th Russian citizens will vote for their next president. Reaction (however warranted) by the Western powers will play well at home for Putin. "LOOK! The world hates us, let me protect you."
jessaustin 9y ago
I like it that you've left "these guys" ambiguous. That seems wise. Don't worry about a divided USA; the following makes it clear that we'll all be in complete agreement very soon: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/07/dems-m07.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/07/dems-m07.html
Erlangolem 9y ago
The history of the US is a history of deep divisions, until someone pokes it a little too hard, and suddenly a seemingly united response is generated. Often that response is more than a little extreme, and sometimes it gets all over the place, as Iraqis or Cambodians could tell you. The manufacturing capacity of the US, and its massive military spending are not to be fucked with lightly.
- jessaustin 9y ago
  Let's not kid ourselves; Russia would kick our asses in a shooting war. Actually they just did, in Syria. Our navy can't avoid running into cargo ships. Our air force can't buy a new plane. Our army is crippled when attacked with homemade explosives. Our intelligence agencies are employed mostly in spying on their own citizens. Any armed conflict directly with Russia would be kicked off in the same shameful shambolic fashion we've gotten underway in the last three nations we've invaded. That is to say, we'd make some stupid claims about hacking, everyone else at the UN would chuckle nervously while voting against us, and then we'd ineffectively bomb the wrong targets. Then the world would witness what a bunch of hungry tough bastards with the right equipment can do. It would not be pretty. Eventually Putin and the oligarchs would figure out a really big number we could probably pay if we stopped all entitlement spending for a few generations, and the pain would stop. Not even Canada would join us in such folly. Putin doesn't actually want a shooting war with USA; he just wants to keep his subjects thinking about Uncle Sam. Let's not fuck up our lives forever, just so a bunch of Washington assholes don't have to admit they've been very wrong for a very long time.
  - Erlangolem 9y ago
    Syria is a proxy war, and not a particularly relevant one. Even the wars the US loses tends to leave devastation in their wake. That, and you’re grossly overestimating the Russian military as a non-regional power, but it hardly matters, since the Russians certainly don’t make that error themselves. They’re smart enough to engage in proxy and regional conflicts, for better or worse. I hope that neither the US nor Russia would be stupid enough to go directly to war, but if they did it would be over in under and hour and we’d all be dead or dying. I’ll pass on that, thanks.
    - jessaustin 9y ago
      I agree that life is preferable to stupid wars, but in that case what were you trying to say by invoking the risible "sleeping giant" canard?
      - 9y ago
markoman 9y ago
Indeed. Let's not forget that some allies have evidence that Russian subs have been prowling around undersea cables. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/internet-net-neutrality-russia-gchq-telecommunications-undersea-cables-worldwide-web-a8181906.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/internet-net-...
flukus 9y ago
Throughout the cold war the Soviet Union had plans in place to take out much of the US energy grid, usually with well placed bombs and local agents. It's not an indication of war being imminent.
joejerryronnie 9y ago
Well, there's nothing like a good old-fashioned war to pull the country together. In all seriousness, I wonder if the absence of a clear foreign boogey man has resulted in Americans turning their angst and anger inward upon themselves. North Korea and Iran are too small to pose existential threats, terrorism is too ambiguous, and China hasn't crossed over into full enemy territory yet. The last real enemy we could all rally against was the USSR.

jimnotgym 9y ago

If you add that to the nerve gas assassination attempts in the UK this week it is time to look hard at how Russia has infiltrated the west.

hunta2097 9y ago
It wasn't a gas, it was a powder (most likely). Russia's activities are probably more inward looking than outward. On March 18th Russian citizens will vote for their next president. Reaction (however warranted) by the Western powers will play well at home for Putin. "LOOK! The world hates us, let me protect you."

jessaustin 9y ago

I like it that you've left "these guys" ambiguous. That seems wise. Don't worry about a divided USA; the following makes it clear that we'll all be in complete agreement very soon: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/07/dems-m07.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/07/dems-m07.html

Erlangolem 9y ago

The history of the US is a history of deep divisions, until someone pokes it a little too hard, and suddenly a seemingly united response is generated. Often that response is more than a little extreme, and sometimes it gets all over the place, as Iraqis or Cambodians could tell you. The manufacturing capacity of the US, and its massive military spending are not to be fucked with lightly.

jessaustin 9y ago
Let's not kid ourselves; Russia would kick our asses in a shooting war. Actually they just did, in Syria. Our navy can't avoid running into cargo ships. Our air force can't buy a new plane. Our army is crippled when attacked with homemade explosives. Our intelligence agencies are employed mostly in spying on their own citizens. Any armed conflict directly with Russia would be kicked off in the same shameful shambolic fashion we've gotten underway in the last three nations we've invaded. That is to say, we'd make some stupid claims about hacking, everyone else at the UN would chuckle nervously while voting against us, and then we'd ineffectively bomb the wrong targets. Then the world would witness what a bunch of hungry tough bastards with the right equipment can do. It would not be pretty. Eventually Putin and the oligarchs would figure out a really big number we could probably pay if we stopped all entitlement spending for a few generations, and the pain would stop. Not even Canada would join us in such folly. Putin doesn't actually want a shooting war with USA; he just wants to keep his subjects thinking about Uncle Sam. Let's not fuck up our lives forever, just so a bunch of Washington assholes don't have to admit they've been very wrong for a very long time.
- Erlangolem 9y ago
  Syria is a proxy war, and not a particularly relevant one. Even the wars the US loses tends to leave devastation in their wake. That, and you’re grossly overestimating the Russian military as a non-regional power, but it hardly matters, since the Russians certainly don’t make that error themselves. They’re smart enough to engage in proxy and regional conflicts, for better or worse. I hope that neither the US nor Russia would be stupid enough to go directly to war, but if they did it would be over in under and hour and we’d all be dead or dying. I’ll pass on that, thanks.
  - jessaustin 9y ago
    I agree that life is preferable to stupid wars, but in that case what were you trying to say by invoking the risible "sleeping giant" canard?
    - 9y ago

markoman 9y ago

Indeed. Let's not forget that some allies have evidence that Russian subs have been prowling around undersea cables. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/internet-net-neutrality-russia-gchq-telecommunications-undersea-cables-worldwide-web-a8181906.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/internet-net-...

flukus 9y ago

Throughout the cold war the Soviet Union had plans in place to take out much of the US energy grid, usually with well placed bombs and local agents. It's not an indication of war being imminent.

joejerryronnie 9y ago

Well, there's nothing like a good old-fashioned war to pull the country together. In all seriousness, I wonder if the absence of a clear foreign boogey man has resulted in Americans turning their angst and anger inward upon themselves. North Korea and Iran are too small to pose existential threats, terrorism is too ambiguous, and China hasn't crossed over into full enemy territory yet. The last real enemy we could all rally against was the USSR.