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“Alpha children wear grey They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm really awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so h

“Alpha children wear grey They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm really awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They're too stupid to be able…“

andrei_says_ 9y ago
A class divided is a timeless classic. http://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-class-divided/ http://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-class-divided/ Race is one of the triggers for ignorance and hate, it is so visible. Once we make genetic makeup visible, it will change how we see each other.
antisthenes 9y ago
Is it really so bad if it makes them happier? And if the society is happier in aggregate? I have friends like these, who, if they were to be shoehorned into doing highly abstract creative work, would be downright miserable and would eventually burn out. People look at BNW as some type of dystopia, but I felt like the novel handled it rather well in the sense than there is a place for outliers to be free as well, without coercion (Iceland). The people who thought they didn't fit in their 'caste' so to speak weren't forced to work at gunpoint.
- mattnewton 9y ago
  The idea of being born into a caste chosen for you before birth and reinforced through biology absolutely horrifies me. The point of BNW was that there could be effective “coercion” based on molding our desires instead of stamping them out with fear and force. The gunpoint wasn’t necessary; your prison walls were built in your head by chemistry and psychological conditioning.
  - antisthenes 9y ago
    It sounds bad to you because you weren't conditioned. People are stuck in lower 'castes' even these days in the most progressive countries in the world. Where's the justice in that? You have thousands if not millions of intelligent people across the world having a bad stroke of luck and being born in a different country to the wrong parents. We all have our prison walls. To pretend that the biological walls are somehow more horrifying and cruel than sociological or economical is, in my opinion, lunacy.

andrei_says_ 9y ago

A class divided is a timeless classic. http://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-class-divided/ http://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-class-divided/ Race is one of the triggers for ignorance and hate, it is so visible. Once we make genetic makeup visible, it will change how we see each other.

antisthenes 9y ago

Is it really so bad if it makes them happier? And if the society is happier in aggregate? I have friends like these, who, if they were to be shoehorned into doing highly abstract creative work, would be downright miserable and would eventually burn out. People look at BNW as some type of dystopia, but I felt like the novel handled it rather well in the sense than there is a place for outliers to be free as well, without coercion (Iceland). The people who thought they didn't fit in their 'caste' so to speak weren't forced to work at gunpoint.

mattnewton 9y ago
The idea of being born into a caste chosen for you before birth and reinforced through biology absolutely horrifies me. The point of BNW was that there could be effective “coercion” based on molding our desires instead of stamping them out with fear and force. The gunpoint wasn’t necessary; your prison walls were built in your head by chemistry and psychological conditioning.
- antisthenes 9y ago
  It sounds bad to you because you weren't conditioned. People are stuck in lower 'castes' even these days in the most progressive countries in the world. Where's the justice in that? You have thousands if not millions of intelligent people across the world having a bad stroke of luck and being born in a different country to the wrong parents. We all have our prison walls. To pretend that the biological walls are somehow more horrifying and cruel than sociological or economical is, in my opinion, lunacy.