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LN will have all the problems of BGP, fused with all the problems of KYC/AML/legacy financial institutions. It's truly a beautiful monstrosity. It'd be hard to

LN will have all the problems of BGP, fused with all the problems of KYC/AML/legacy financial institutions. It's truly a beautiful monstrosity. It'd be hard to come up with a more objectively inferior solution if you really tried. No longer can a new user just send a transaction and have that magical user experience, instead they have to be given permission to transact by monolithic liquidity hubs, who of course must take their own fee. In fact as a rational lightning hub owner, I would want a rate of return similar to stocks but times some multiple to account for the very high risk of my hot wallet getting hacked and losing all my money. Full disclosure: I'm a BCH/XMR supporter although I no longer own either since I've been sitting out of the scene for the last few months while waiting for all this idiocy to blow over

hahainternet 9y ago
I noticed you've posted the same thing in many different posts with increasing inaccuracy. > instead they have to be given permission to transact by monolithic liquidity hubs Completely false > who of course must take their own fee May, and routes aren't prescribed so they may take a fee on a payment that may be routed through them. > I would want a rate of return similar to stocks but times some multiple to account for the very high risk of my hot wallet getting hacked and losing all my money. What. This is completely disconnected from Lightning's functionality. Please stop spreading FUD.
- nosuchthing 9y ago
  blockcipher is refering to a new type of attack LN enables, which would be a (large) node/hub having the ability to ignore/drop transactions. It's roughly similar to how pool operators can create custom tools to suppress activity passing though their part of the network. https://steemit.com/ethereum/@dhumphrey/f2pool-manipulates-usd1-2-million-on-the-ethereum-blockchain-during-the-status-im-ico https://steemit.com/ethereum/@dhumphrey/f2pool-manipulates-u... The latter comment is in regards to the risk of providing liquidity in the more concerning design caveat of exposing keys in memory on an internet connected computer. The attack surface for theft of a LN node is now significantly higher than a normal bitcoin wallet.
  - hahainternet 9y ago
    The link you've posted a) Does not work b) Seems to be specific to Ethereum c) According to a mirror, has its information sourced from an unverified Reddit post. Is there anything but FUD here?
    - nosuchthing 9y ago
      Ah yes the cultish rhetoric of shouting "FUD", pathetic. Feel free to ignore the prior mentioned methods denial of service within blockchain networks as It appears your comment has rendered all reality moot.

hahainternet 9y ago

I noticed you've posted the same thing in many different posts with increasing inaccuracy. > instead they have to be given permission to transact by monolithic liquidity hubs Completely false > who of course must take their own fee May, and routes aren't prescribed so they may take a fee on a payment that may be routed through them. > I would want a rate of return similar to stocks but times some multiple to account for the very high risk of my hot wallet getting hacked and losing all my money. What. This is completely disconnected from Lightning's functionality. Please stop spreading FUD.

nosuchthing 9y ago
blockcipher is refering to a new type of attack LN enables, which would be a (large) node/hub having the ability to ignore/drop transactions. It's roughly similar to how pool operators can create custom tools to suppress activity passing though their part of the network. https://steemit.com/ethereum/@dhumphrey/f2pool-manipulates-usd1-2-million-on-the-ethereum-blockchain-during-the-status-im-ico https://steemit.com/ethereum/@dhumphrey/f2pool-manipulates-u... The latter comment is in regards to the risk of providing liquidity in the more concerning design caveat of exposing keys in memory on an internet connected computer. The attack surface for theft of a LN node is now significantly higher than a normal bitcoin wallet.
- hahainternet 9y ago
  The link you've posted a) Does not work b) Seems to be specific to Ethereum c) According to a mirror, has its information sourced from an unverified Reddit post. Is there anything but FUD here?
  - nosuchthing 9y ago
    Ah yes the cultish rhetoric of shouting "FUD", pathetic. Feel free to ignore the prior mentioned methods denial of service within blockchain networks as It appears your comment has rendered all reality moot.