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China does have immigration-friendly policy, but the policies were mostly active in the 90's, largely targeted at Chinese-speakers. These policies included majo

by qiqing 9y ago

China does have immigration-friendly policy, but the policies were mostly active in the 90's, largely targeted at Chinese-speakers. These policies included major tax breaks for Chinese speakers with advanced degrees if they established permanent residence (green card) in China, including being able to use that tax refund to buy real estate. Many who took advantage of the policies had left to study abroad in the 70's and 80's, but got jobs in their new home countries. Others were a generation removed. It looks different from US immigration, but if anything, I believe the expectations of the "sea turtles" (pun for returning ex-pat) have spurred a lot of the systemic changes that have been improving China.

whatyoucantsay 9y ago
> largely targeted at Chinese-speakers. These policies included major tax breaks for Chinese speakers with advanced degrees It's not about being a Chinese speaker. It's about ethno-nationalism or racism, depending upon one's perspective. Merely speaking Chinese fluently isn't nearly enough for a racially European or African person to gain Chinese citizenship. The total number of those who have ever done so is less than the number of people the UK nationalises each week. Even the green card is nearly unobtainable. Dashan could get one but the vast majority of expats who have spent a decade in China, marred a PRC national, and started a family cannot.
- qiqing 9y ago
  If you know a lot of people's personal experiences getting denied in modern day, I'd love to learn more! I don't personally know a lot of people of European or African ancestry trying in the first place, at least in modern day. However, during WW II, there were many European Jewish refugees who became my family's neighbors in Shanghai, at a time when shipfuls of them were being turned away by the U.S. (Our neighbors were denied a visa to the U.S. at that time.) There was another previous wave during Russian pogroms. Most people I've heard of getting green cards are of Chinese or mixed East Asian / Southeast Asian ancestry, and have an advanced STEM degree. I heard the scoring systems weighs Ph.D.'s and M.S.'s differently, and that computer science and EE gets you more points. I haven't heard of people getting assigned different weights depending on how Chinese their ancestry is. On the other hand, you'd probably have a hard time telling the difference between a Korean and a Chinese northerner who lives near the Korean border, as well as the difference between a Vietnamese person, and a Chinese southerner who lives near that border. We're all basically distant cousins.
  - whatyoucantsay 9y ago
    > On the other hand, you'd probably have a hard time telling the difference between a Korean and a Chinese northerner who lives near the Korean border, as well as the difference between a Vietnamese person, and a Chinese southerner who lives near that border." Not once they start talking! I'd never mistake a Korean for a Dongbeiren!

by qiqing 9y ago

whatyoucantsay 9y ago

> largely targeted at Chinese-speakers. These policies included major tax breaks for Chinese speakers with advanced degrees It's not about being a Chinese speaker. It's about ethno-nationalism or racism, depending upon one's perspective. Merely speaking Chinese fluently isn't nearly enough for a racially European or African person to gain Chinese citizenship. The total number of those who have ever done so is less than the number of people the UK nationalises each week. Even the green card is nearly unobtainable. Dashan could get one but the vast majority of expats who have spent a decade in China, marred a PRC national, and started a family cannot.

qiqing 9y ago
If you know a lot of people's personal experiences getting denied in modern day, I'd love to learn more! I don't personally know a lot of people of European or African ancestry trying in the first place, at least in modern day. However, during WW II, there were many European Jewish refugees who became my family's neighbors in Shanghai, at a time when shipfuls of them were being turned away by the U.S. (Our neighbors were denied a visa to the U.S. at that time.) There was another previous wave during Russian pogroms. Most people I've heard of getting green cards are of Chinese or mixed East Asian / Southeast Asian ancestry, and have an advanced STEM degree. I heard the scoring systems weighs Ph.D.'s and M.S.'s differently, and that computer science and EE gets you more points. I haven't heard of people getting assigned different weights depending on how Chinese their ancestry is. On the other hand, you'd probably have a hard time telling the difference between a Korean and a Chinese northerner who lives near the Korean border, as well as the difference between a Vietnamese person, and a Chinese southerner who lives near that border. We're all basically distant cousins.
- whatyoucantsay 9y ago
  > On the other hand, you'd probably have a hard time telling the difference between a Korean and a Chinese northerner who lives near the Korean border, as well as the difference between a Vietnamese person, and a Chinese southerner who lives near that border." Not once they start talking! I'd never mistake a Korean for a Dongbeiren!