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Belief, even acceptance, isn't interchangeable with certainty. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen". There are ple

Belief, even acceptance, isn't interchangeable with certainty. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen". There are plenty of things you accept and believe without evidence. The world, and especially the inner lives of humans, isn't made up exclusively (in some aspects not even predominantly) of empirically observable facts. The idea that believing is incompatible with being thoughtful is not worthy of something who (presumably) considers themselves thoughtful. You can do better.

Jedd 9y ago
> Belief, even acceptance, isn't interchangeable with certainty. Totally agree. I think. > There are plenty of things you accept and believe without evidence. Incorrect.
- mseebach 9y ago
  How do you know you love your spouse? (Or mother or whomever else you might say you love)?
  - Jedd 9y ago
    My spouse that I've met? Ditto my mother? (there are also non-females that I love, btw.) Unless you're going the solipsistic route, actually knowing (not in in the biblical, but rather merely just the physical / actual sense) people is a major factor.
    - mseebach 9y ago
      I am going the solipsistic route, because it's the relevant one in getting to the bottom of what these fundamental things actually mean. The point is, love is something that can only exist inside our individual minds (what is a mind, even?). Scientifically, we bare know what it is (something to do with dopamine), much less are we able to measure it. When you love your spouse, you take on faith that the feelings you have inside are what love really feels like. You tell the little voice in the back of your head that asks "Is this really it? Ohh, the model is that ad is really good looking, perhaps if..." to shut up. But you don't go to the love doctor and have your heartbeat or whatever measured to empirically confirm that your feelings are truly love, and not merely affection, an infatuation, or lust. And that's without getting into what "actually knowing" someone really means, and how you evaluate your spouse's claim that she loves you. At least you can feel your own feelings. I'm not saying that these feelings aren't true, I'm sure they are. I'm contesting your assertion that you take nothing on faith.

Jedd 9y ago

> Belief, even acceptance, isn't interchangeable with certainty. Totally agree. I think. > There are plenty of things you accept and believe without evidence. Incorrect.

mseebach 9y ago
How do you know you love your spouse? (Or mother or whomever else you might say you love)?
- Jedd 9y ago
  My spouse that I've met? Ditto my mother? (there are also non-females that I love, btw.) Unless you're going the solipsistic route, actually knowing (not in in the biblical, but rather merely just the physical / actual sense) people is a major factor.
  - mseebach 9y ago
    I am going the solipsistic route, because it's the relevant one in getting to the bottom of what these fundamental things actually mean. The point is, love is something that can only exist inside our individual minds (what is a mind, even?). Scientifically, we bare know what it is (something to do with dopamine), much less are we able to measure it. When you love your spouse, you take on faith that the feelings you have inside are what love really feels like. You tell the little voice in the back of your head that asks "Is this really it? Ohh, the model is that ad is really good looking, perhaps if..." to shut up. But you don't go to the love doctor and have your heartbeat or whatever measured to empirically confirm that your feelings are truly love, and not merely affection, an infatuation, or lust. And that's without getting into what "actually knowing" someone really means, and how you evaluate your spouse's claim that she loves you. At least you can feel your own feelings. I'm not saying that these feelings aren't true, I'm sure they are. I'm contesting your assertion that you take nothing on faith.