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People stop owning cars once SDC is dominant is the theory

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drb91 9y ago
I’m extremely skeptical lyft is replacing anyone’s car. The “sweet spot” is cities, and you probably already didn’t need a car if lyft is all you need. Meanwhile, leaving the city would be extremely expensive and unreliable with lyft.
- 220V_USKettle 9y ago
  You can't take a self-driving Lyft to the airport or the self-driving bus terminal?
  - drb91 9y ago
    I don’t think either go to where I would like to spend time. If you want to go into the country, you need a car. A bus could get you to a place, but everything would be so spread out you’d have to hitchhike or use crazily expensive taxis—i’m talking 1$/minute here. But, I see your point about going to other large public transit areas and I agree wholeheartedly. It’s already about twenty times cheaper to BART to SFO than to grab a lyft. Yet I grab the lyft anyway....
- brokensegue 9y ago
  re-read what I wrote
- tyingq 9y ago
  There's ways around outright bans. Like the London fees to get a car inside the city limits. I expect Uber, Lyft, and friends have lots of lobbying plans. I fully expect individual ownership of cars to get much less attractive over the next 50 years or so. Thankfully, I'll be long dead. The big brother implications on freedom of movement are chilling.
- lsc 9y ago
  >I’m extremely skeptical lyft is replacing anyone’s car. The “sweet spot” is cities, and you probably already didn’t need a car if lyft is all you need. I got rid of my car because of uber/lyft.[1] I'm in a "city" in that I'm in silicon valley[2]; Public transit here is woefully inadequate; before uber/lyft, calling a taxi usually took several tries and several hours. I mean, I knew one guy who rode his bike everywhere? but he was bothering me for rides all the time before uber/lyft. Uber/lyft is often faster than driving yourself, mostly due to the fact that I don't have to worry about parking. But for me? the important part is that I don't have to worry about paying attention. I can sit in back and read or whatever; it's actually quite relaxing. I now use safeway delivery or amazon fresh for groceries, and I consider that to be a pretty big improvement in my quality of life; I don't spend time in line anymore, and I get fresh vegetables twice a week. As far as I can tell, not having a car and getting driven everywhere costs me about as much as owning a late model moderately nice car and driving myself; I've owned some nice cars in the past, but driving a nice car just doesn't compare to being driven, when it comes to comfort. It's like the most stressful part of my day just goes away. >Meanwhile, leaving the city would be extremely expensive and unreliable with lyft. Absolutely true. Same with hauling things. I rent a truck when I haul things, and rent a car if I want to go camping or something. My normal 'out of town' trips, though, I either take the train, (my parents live near Sacramento) or an airplane, and if necessary, rent a car at the other end. I mean, I totally acknowledge that some people really enjoy driving and enjoy owning a car, but certainly some people prefer to be driven. I prefer to be driven. Personally? Uber/lyft could become between 1.5x and 2x more expensive before I seriously considered driving myself again. Maybe more, though at that point I would put more effort into optimization. [1]I still have a motorcycle, but it's an old bmw; really my hobby is fixing it more than it is riding it. [2]The south bay - really, it's more "suburbia" than city. If I lived in San Francisco or the rest of the area serviced by BART, getting by without a car would be a lot more realistic.

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I’m extremely skeptical lyft is replacing anyone’s car. The “sweet spot” is cities, and you probably already didn’t need a car if lyft is all you need. Meanwhile, leaving the city would be extremely expensive and unreliable with lyft.

220V_USKettle 9y ago
You can't take a self-driving Lyft to the airport or the self-driving bus terminal?
- drb91 9y ago
  I don’t think either go to where I would like to spend time. If you want to go into the country, you need a car. A bus could get you to a place, but everything would be so spread out you’d have to hitchhike or use crazily expensive taxis—i’m talking 1$/minute here. But, I see your point about going to other large public transit areas and I agree wholeheartedly. It’s already about twenty times cheaper to BART to SFO than to grab a lyft. Yet I grab the lyft anyway....
brokensegue 9y ago
re-read what I wrote
tyingq 9y ago
There's ways around outright bans. Like the London fees to get a car inside the city limits. I expect Uber, Lyft, and friends have lots of lobbying plans. I fully expect individual ownership of cars to get much less attractive over the next 50 years or so. Thankfully, I'll be long dead. The big brother implications on freedom of movement are chilling.
lsc 9y ago
>I’m extremely skeptical lyft is replacing anyone’s car. The “sweet spot” is cities, and you probably already didn’t need a car if lyft is all you need. I got rid of my car because of uber/lyft.[1] I'm in a "city" in that I'm in silicon valley[2]; Public transit here is woefully inadequate; before uber/lyft, calling a taxi usually took several tries and several hours. I mean, I knew one guy who rode his bike everywhere? but he was bothering me for rides all the time before uber/lyft. Uber/lyft is often faster than driving yourself, mostly due to the fact that I don't have to worry about parking. But for me? the important part is that I don't have to worry about paying attention. I can sit in back and read or whatever; it's actually quite relaxing. I now use safeway delivery or amazon fresh for groceries, and I consider that to be a pretty big improvement in my quality of life; I don't spend time in line anymore, and I get fresh vegetables twice a week. As far as I can tell, not having a car and getting driven everywhere costs me about as much as owning a late model moderately nice car and driving myself; I've owned some nice cars in the past, but driving a nice car just doesn't compare to being driven, when it comes to comfort. It's like the most stressful part of my day just goes away. >Meanwhile, leaving the city would be extremely expensive and unreliable with lyft. Absolutely true. Same with hauling things. I rent a truck when I haul things, and rent a car if I want to go camping or something. My normal 'out of town' trips, though, I either take the train, (my parents live near Sacramento) or an airplane, and if necessary, rent a car at the other end. I mean, I totally acknowledge that some people really enjoy driving and enjoy owning a car, but certainly some people prefer to be driven. I prefer to be driven. Personally? Uber/lyft could become between 1.5x and 2x more expensive before I seriously considered driving myself again. Maybe more, though at that point I would put more effort into optimization. [1]I still have a motorcycle, but it's an old bmw; really my hobby is fixing it more than it is riding it. [2]The south bay - really, it's more "suburbia" than city. If I lived in San Francisco or the rest of the area serviced by BART, getting by without a car would be a lot more realistic.