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America in general. A surgeon in the Netherlands can wait DECADES for a kid with gunshot wounds. Its just textbook stuff but if you want to see it in action the

by Feniks 9y ago

America in general. A surgeon in the Netherlands can wait DECADES for a kid with gunshot wounds. Its just textbook stuff but if you want to see it in action the US is a good place to learn.

reaperducer 9y ago
> America in general "America in stereotype" is more accurate. Your Netherlands comment is also hyperbole. Here's an article about a kid who was shot and killed on an Amsterdam playground a few weeks ago. Two other people were wounded by what in America would be called an "active shooter." But that only happens in America, right? https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/910572/Amsterdam-shooting-Netherlands-gun-attack-Dutch-police-Grote-Wittenburgstraat https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/910572/Amsterdam-shooti...
- dennisnedry 9y ago
  He's a troll. Read through his comment history, it's nothing but "love socialism; hate capitalism" rhetoric.
- zapita 9y ago
  Anecdote aside, it's established beyond a doubt that the US has much, much higher rates of gun violence than European countries, across every dimension: wounds, deaths, assault, self-harm, accidents... You name it, there's a statistic documenting it. For example, according to healthdata.org, in 2016, physical violence by firearm was the cause of 210.5 DALYs per 100,000. In the Netherlands it was 10.8. A DALY is a standardized metric defined by the WHO as "lost years of life" to measure the burden of a disease or other affliction. So in 2016 physical violence by firearm caused 20 times more harm per capita to the US population than to the Dutch population. I'm willing to bet that for self-harm and accidental firearm wounds the gap is even larger, given the idiotic habit Americans have of keeping guns and ammunition stored in their homes. Source: https://vizhub.healthdata.org/gbd-compare/ https://vizhub.healthdata.org/gbd-compare/
  - reaperducer 9y ago
    I'm not disputing that America has far more gun deaths than most (all?) other nations, but to generalize that the violence in Chicago is endemic to the rest of the nation is pure fantasy. There are tens of thousands of towns, villages, and cities that see little to no gun violence each year. But they don't get written up in the Daily Fail.
    - DKnoll 9y ago
      There are ~19,000 incorporated places (cities, towns and villages) in the United States so to say 'tens of thousands' of them see little to no gun violence would be a significant overstatement.
      - reaperducer 9y ago
        If you limit yourself to incorporated places. There are a lot more places in America that aren't incorporated. And just because a town isn't incorporated doesn't mean it's small. Pahrump, Nevada, for example, is 40,000 people and it's not incorporated.
    - zapita 9y ago
      > to generalize that the violence in Chicago is endemic to the rest of the nation is pure fantasy. That wasn't the comment. The comment was that most surgeons in the Netherlands can wait decades before seeing a gunshot wound. If they want hands-on experience, the US is a good place to learn. I think that's a very reasonable comment (EDIT maybe "years" is more reasonable than "decades"...) and if you account for accidents and self-harm, you really don't need to go to Chicago or Baltimore. The vast majority of gun wounds in the US are accidents or self-harm and occur all over the US, including "quiet little towns". I would argue that the real fantasy is to think that the gun violence epidemic is limited to big cities with black guys in hoodies shooting at each other.
    - BenSahar 9y ago
      It's more common than people like to acknowledge. The violent crime rate in Chicago is lower than ~30 other US cities. It sits about even with Tulsa. The thing that makes Chicago stand out is that its population transforms the rate into a larger raw number.
- ForHackernews 9y ago
  How many gunshot murders are there per year in the NL? How many emergency surgeons are there?
dang 9y ago
You posted a ton of nationalistic swipes to HN after we asked you not to. That counts as arson here. It reliably leads to flamewars. We've banned the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- arsonists 9y ago
  That's arson. Dang, I think you need to take a break, and go play outside in the sun for a little while.

by Feniks 9y ago

America in general. A surgeon in the Netherlands can wait DECADES for a kid with gunshot wounds. Its just textbook stuff but if you want to see it in action the US is a good place to learn.

reaperducer 9y ago

> America in general "America in stereotype" is more accurate. Your Netherlands comment is also hyperbole. Here's an article about a kid who was shot and killed on an Amsterdam playground a few weeks ago. Two other people were wounded by what in America would be called an "active shooter." But that only happens in America, right? https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/910572/Amsterdam-shooting-Netherlands-gun-attack-Dutch-police-Grote-Wittenburgstraat https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/910572/Amsterdam-shooti...

dennisnedry 9y ago
He's a troll. Read through his comment history, it's nothing but "love socialism; hate capitalism" rhetoric.
zapita 9y ago
Anecdote aside, it's established beyond a doubt that the US has much, much higher rates of gun violence than European countries, across every dimension: wounds, deaths, assault, self-harm, accidents... You name it, there's a statistic documenting it. For example, according to healthdata.org, in 2016, physical violence by firearm was the cause of 210.5 DALYs per 100,000. In the Netherlands it was 10.8. A DALY is a standardized metric defined by the WHO as "lost years of life" to measure the burden of a disease or other affliction. So in 2016 physical violence by firearm caused 20 times more harm per capita to the US population than to the Dutch population. I'm willing to bet that for self-harm and accidental firearm wounds the gap is even larger, given the idiotic habit Americans have of keeping guns and ammunition stored in their homes. Source: https://vizhub.healthdata.org/gbd-compare/ https://vizhub.healthdata.org/gbd-compare/
- reaperducer 9y ago
  I'm not disputing that America has far more gun deaths than most (all?) other nations, but to generalize that the violence in Chicago is endemic to the rest of the nation is pure fantasy. There are tens of thousands of towns, villages, and cities that see little to no gun violence each year. But they don't get written up in the Daily Fail.
  - DKnoll 9y ago
    There are ~19,000 incorporated places (cities, towns and villages) in the United States so to say 'tens of thousands' of them see little to no gun violence would be a significant overstatement.
    - reaperducer 9y ago
      If you limit yourself to incorporated places. There are a lot more places in America that aren't incorporated. And just because a town isn't incorporated doesn't mean it's small. Pahrump, Nevada, for example, is 40,000 people and it's not incorporated.
  - zapita 9y ago
    > to generalize that the violence in Chicago is endemic to the rest of the nation is pure fantasy. That wasn't the comment. The comment was that most surgeons in the Netherlands can wait decades before seeing a gunshot wound. If they want hands-on experience, the US is a good place to learn. I think that's a very reasonable comment (EDIT maybe "years" is more reasonable than "decades"...) and if you account for accidents and self-harm, you really don't need to go to Chicago or Baltimore. The vast majority of gun wounds in the US are accidents or self-harm and occur all over the US, including "quiet little towns". I would argue that the real fantasy is to think that the gun violence epidemic is limited to big cities with black guys in hoodies shooting at each other.
  - BenSahar 9y ago
    It's more common than people like to acknowledge. The violent crime rate in Chicago is lower than ~30 other US cities. It sits about even with Tulsa. The thing that makes Chicago stand out is that its population transforms the rate into a larger raw number.
ForHackernews 9y ago
How many gunshot murders are there per year in the NL? How many emergency surgeons are there?

dang 9y ago

You posted a ton of nationalistic swipes to HN after we asked you not to. That counts as arson here. It reliably leads to flamewars. We've banned the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

arsonists 9y ago
That's arson. Dang, I think you need to take a break, and go play outside in the sun for a little while.