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I'm always afraid of the (incredibly little) chance of getting shot here in Germany, because I'm sure the doctors wouldn't have a lot of experience

by Mo3 9y ago

exabrial 9y ago
No matter where you live, it's always good to be versed in first aid, cpr, and some basic self-defense. Our civilized world can turn itself upside in a hurry, via natural disasters or man-made causes.
- jf 9y ago
  Genuinely curious, when was the last time that our civilized world turned itself upside down in a hurry?
  - protomyth 9y ago
    Areas where natural disasters have hit have been very problematic, and the US has had large scale riots. Houston seems to be the exception. Local area reversions to anarchy can get you shot.
  - exabrial 9y ago
    Paris train attacks, hurricanes in Florida, the machete attacks in London...
  - mjevans 9y ago
    Pretty much any natural disaster. The quakes in Mexico and the hurricanes that hit the gulf region islands and countries last year spring to mind.
  - DoubleCribble 9y ago
    As of right now, it might be upside down if you're stuck in Syria or Yemen? In the US, you might recall the outcome of the Rodney King verdict as an example.
  - mattmanser 9y ago
    Happened in America recently, 2005 Hurricane Katrina: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5063796 https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=506379...
  - ggg9990 9y ago
    Right now the best examples are Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
    - gaius 9y ago
      Haiti
  - pandemicsyn 9y ago
    Tornado's are frequently a thing. Emergency services become easily overloaded.
  - Karrot_Kream 9y ago
    Puerto Rico?
  - musage 9y ago
    The question isn't when did it last happen where, but what responsiblity the fact that it did happen and can happen places on us, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ2AH7u_9Xo&t=1h1m23s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ2AH7u_9Xo&t=1h1m23s
- pandemicsyn 9y ago
  The us govt actually sponsors some good (free) first aid training like https://www.dhs.gov/stopthebleed https://www.dhs.gov/stopthebleed. That class is worth it, and i carry a basic 1st aid kit from Dark Angel medical in my backpack/car now. I feel like I'm not very likely to need to perform CPR, but I've seen two people sustain major injuries doing yard work of all things. The 2nd time it took about 20 minutes for EMS to arrive. Had their cut been a bit deeper things could have easily ended up being much worst, and my crappy attempt at stopping their bleeding with a towel would have done nothing. Stop the bleed is a 1 hour class, everyone should take it.
  - jschwartzi 9y ago
    Yeah, since I took a wilderness first aid course I've been bitching about how crappy the first aid kit is at work. There's a machine shop and a lot of power equipment, and if someone manages to cut an artery they'll likely bleed out before EMS arrives. All you need to do is stock some quick-clot gauze and a tourniquet or two. About $50.00 in materials could be the difference between an employee or coworker walking onto the ambulance versus that same person being carried out in a bag. The kit can't treat anything more serious than a paper cut. It's seriously just a big box full of band-aids and ointment.
  - mgarfias 9y ago
    I carry the RATS tourniquet in my range bag, and with my bmx race gear (with other first aid craps). In the cars are trauma kits with celox. I should add celox to the range bag. I’ve taken a few first aid classes, the wife has training in how to handle medical emergencies from her time as a 911 dispatcher. I keep trying to get a buddy’s former ranger nephew to give us some “classes” based on what he experienced in Afghanistan.
- paulcole 9y ago
  > Our civilized world can turn itself upside in a hurry, via natural disasters or man-made causes. Is this true? It sounds more like doomsday prepper propaganda. Katrina, Sandy, LA riots, what other situations am I missing?
- zaarn 9y ago
  First Aid and CPR training is usually part of a drivers license in Germany (though anecdotally, I had a laugh-cramp halfway through that course which I'm hoping will not repeat in a real emergency situation)
  - Mo3 9y ago
    Yeah most germans know basic first aid and CPR Also, was it when you had to give the puppet mouth-to-mouth? Because I was slightly stoned when I had to do that and I almost died laughing
    - zaarn 9y ago
      Yeah that was the exact moment when I lost it, though I was sober.
ggm 9y ago
Hospitals which experience surges of unexpected trauma victims publish post-event write ups. I've read a couple on the web. They basically go to triage, training and practice. Your german hospitals will all be thinking about this, all the time. Any construction site in a german city is only one mis-placed digger bucket away from an unexploded wartime 4000kg blockbuster bomb event. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-casualty_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-casualty_incident Just google "mass casualty incident" -They think about this. You will be looked after as best you can, because its planned for.
- burkemw3 9y ago
  One doctor from the November Las Vegas shooting wrote a review of the incident for his ER that got attention on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15688900 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15688900
  - ggm 9y ago
    That was one of the ones I read recently. I think another one was about dealing with the Bali bombing victims, hundreds of people with life-changing deep burns flooding into a system designed to handle 1-2 patients at a time

I'm always afraid of the (incredibly little) chance of getting shot here in Germany, because I'm sure the doctors wouldn't have a lot of experience

by Mo3 9y ago

I'm always afraid of the (incredibly little) chance of getting shot here in Germany, because I'm sure the doctors wouldn't have a lot of experience

exabrial 9y ago

No matter where you live, it's always good to be versed in first aid, cpr, and some basic self-defense. Our civilized world can turn itself upside in a hurry, via natural disasters or man-made causes.

jf 9y ago
Genuinely curious, when was the last time that our civilized world turned itself upside down in a hurry?
- protomyth 9y ago
  Areas where natural disasters have hit have been very problematic, and the US has had large scale riots. Houston seems to be the exception. Local area reversions to anarchy can get you shot.
- exabrial 9y ago
  Paris train attacks, hurricanes in Florida, the machete attacks in London...
- mjevans 9y ago
  Pretty much any natural disaster. The quakes in Mexico and the hurricanes that hit the gulf region islands and countries last year spring to mind.
- DoubleCribble 9y ago
  As of right now, it might be upside down if you're stuck in Syria or Yemen? In the US, you might recall the outcome of the Rodney King verdict as an example.
- mattmanser 9y ago
  Happened in America recently, 2005 Hurricane Katrina: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5063796 https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=506379...
- ggg9990 9y ago
  Right now the best examples are Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
  - gaius 9y ago
    Haiti
- pandemicsyn 9y ago
  Tornado's are frequently a thing. Emergency services become easily overloaded.
- Karrot_Kream 9y ago
  Puerto Rico?
- musage 9y ago
  The question isn't when did it last happen where, but what responsiblity the fact that it did happen and can happen places on us, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ2AH7u_9Xo&t=1h1m23s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ2AH7u_9Xo&t=1h1m23s
pandemicsyn 9y ago
The us govt actually sponsors some good (free) first aid training like https://www.dhs.gov/stopthebleed https://www.dhs.gov/stopthebleed. That class is worth it, and i carry a basic 1st aid kit from Dark Angel medical in my backpack/car now. I feel like I'm not very likely to need to perform CPR, but I've seen two people sustain major injuries doing yard work of all things. The 2nd time it took about 20 minutes for EMS to arrive. Had their cut been a bit deeper things could have easily ended up being much worst, and my crappy attempt at stopping their bleeding with a towel would have done nothing. Stop the bleed is a 1 hour class, everyone should take it.
- jschwartzi 9y ago
  Yeah, since I took a wilderness first aid course I've been bitching about how crappy the first aid kit is at work. There's a machine shop and a lot of power equipment, and if someone manages to cut an artery they'll likely bleed out before EMS arrives. All you need to do is stock some quick-clot gauze and a tourniquet or two. About $50.00 in materials could be the difference between an employee or coworker walking onto the ambulance versus that same person being carried out in a bag. The kit can't treat anything more serious than a paper cut. It's seriously just a big box full of band-aids and ointment.
- mgarfias 9y ago
  I carry the RATS tourniquet in my range bag, and with my bmx race gear (with other first aid craps). In the cars are trauma kits with celox. I should add celox to the range bag. I’ve taken a few first aid classes, the wife has training in how to handle medical emergencies from her time as a 911 dispatcher. I keep trying to get a buddy’s former ranger nephew to give us some “classes” based on what he experienced in Afghanistan.
paulcole 9y ago
> Our civilized world can turn itself upside in a hurry, via natural disasters or man-made causes. Is this true? It sounds more like doomsday prepper propaganda. Katrina, Sandy, LA riots, what other situations am I missing?
zaarn 9y ago
First Aid and CPR training is usually part of a drivers license in Germany (though anecdotally, I had a laugh-cramp halfway through that course which I'm hoping will not repeat in a real emergency situation)
- Mo3 9y ago
  Yeah most germans know basic first aid and CPR Also, was it when you had to give the puppet mouth-to-mouth? Because I was slightly stoned when I had to do that and I almost died laughing
  - zaarn 9y ago
    Yeah that was the exact moment when I lost it, though I was sober.

ggm 9y ago

Hospitals which experience surges of unexpected trauma victims publish post-event write ups. I've read a couple on the web. They basically go to triage, training and practice. Your german hospitals will all be thinking about this, all the time. Any construction site in a german city is only one mis-placed digger bucket away from an unexploded wartime 4000kg blockbuster bomb event. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-casualty_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-casualty_incident Just google "mass casualty incident" -They think about this. You will be looked after as best you can, because its planned for.

burkemw3 9y ago
One doctor from the November Las Vegas shooting wrote a review of the incident for his ER that got attention on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15688900 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15688900
- ggm 9y ago
  That was one of the ones I read recently. I think another one was about dealing with the Bali bombing victims, hundreds of people with life-changing deep burns flooding into a system designed to handle 1-2 patients at a time