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So do those of us accused of sexism for not supporting Holmes a few years ago now get vindicated? Attacking her competence and questioning the Theranos Kool-Aid

So do those of us accused of sexism for not supporting Holmes a few years ago now get vindicated? Attacking her competence and questioning the Theranos Kool-Aid was seen as sexist and unfair, but it turns out we were right — she is a criminal — or at least a civil violator of securities law.

matt4077 9y ago
The accusations (at least the ones I made) were never about her guilt or innocence. From what I remember, HN and similar just had dozens and dozens articles each week on this case, far more than for other, comparable cases. MtGox was around the same time, I believe. My subjective impression was also that Holmes featured far more prominently in the articles and discussions than male CEOs in other cases. Here is one commentator in this thread comitting all sorts of crimes against grammar to accentuate her gender: “The FBI should recommend charges for this Holmes lady.” Edit: I just noticed the comment I cited was by the same user I was replying to :) I guess my sexism-radar is well-tuned today.
- perl4ever 9y ago
  I think some perspective is needed. The idea that medical services you may get could be a fraud and nobody who matters really cares is much more threatening to the average person than some cryptocurrency exchange losing money or other cases of wealthy speculators being defrauded. Lots of news articles were written about the LIBOR scandal too, but even if I read them, I don't believe deep down that it affected me meaningfully.
- EpicEng 9y ago
  And if he had said >The FBI should recommend charges for this Holmes guy. No one would think twice. Stop looking for reasons to be outraged, you'll be better off for it.
danso 9y ago
Can you link to threads/places where people ripping on Holmes (post-WSJ investigation) were under heavy fire? Investor Tim Draper continued to call critics sexist/malicious but I wouldn't call him status quo by any stretch of the imagination: https://www.axios.com/tim-draper-keeps-defending-theranos-1513299953-eadf43f6-1803-422c-8869-f55d86844d6b.html https://www.axios.com/tim-draper-keeps-defending-theranos-15...
throwaway_80bf3 9y ago
You don't get anything because the world doesn't work like that. Move on.

matt4077 9y ago

The accusations (at least the ones I made) were never about her guilt or innocence. From what I remember, HN and similar just had dozens and dozens articles each week on this case, far more than for other, comparable cases. MtGox was around the same time, I believe. My subjective impression was also that Holmes featured far more prominently in the articles and discussions than male CEOs in other cases. Here is one commentator in this thread comitting all sorts of crimes against grammar to accentuate her gender: “The FBI should recommend charges for this Holmes lady.” Edit: I just noticed the comment I cited was by the same user I was replying to :) I guess my sexism-radar is well-tuned today.

perl4ever 9y ago
I think some perspective is needed. The idea that medical services you may get could be a fraud and nobody who matters really cares is much more threatening to the average person than some cryptocurrency exchange losing money or other cases of wealthy speculators being defrauded. Lots of news articles were written about the LIBOR scandal too, but even if I read them, I don't believe deep down that it affected me meaningfully.
EpicEng 9y ago
And if he had said >The FBI should recommend charges for this Holmes guy. No one would think twice. Stop looking for reasons to be outraged, you'll be better off for it.

danso 9y ago

Can you link to threads/places where people ripping on Holmes (post-WSJ investigation) were under heavy fire? Investor Tim Draper continued to call critics sexist/malicious but I wouldn't call him status quo by any stretch of the imagination: https://www.axios.com/tim-draper-keeps-defending-theranos-1513299953-eadf43f6-1803-422c-8869-f55d86844d6b.html https://www.axios.com/tim-draper-keeps-defending-theranos-15...

throwaway_80bf3 9y ago

You don't get anything because the world doesn't work like that. Move on.