5 ms·
Isn’t it just as suspicious absent dark matter? Seems just plain weird regardless.
by mikeash 9y ago
Isn’t it just as suspicious absent dark matter? Seems just plain weird regardless.
- hammock 9y agoIf you accept the notion that all disc galaxies are oriented on exactly the same plane (which is current scientific consensus I believe), then it doesn't seem that far-fetched to think that they all rotate the same way as well.
- poopchute 9y ago"If you accept the notion that all disc galaxies are oriented on exactly the same plane (which is current scientific consensus I believe)" That is easily disprovable, no? We can see many many different angles of disc galaxies. A simple google search will show tons and tons.
- muthdra 9y agoI agree. It looks pretty random. Its probably even more random since we can't reliably eyeball the chirality in most of photographed galaxies so half the angles in one of the axis are practically mirrored at first glance.
- eximius 9y agoI feel like they might have noticed if it was that simple.
- colanderman 9y agoThat observation in itself is not a disproof. (Imagine standing in a room with a bunch of CDs suspended horizontally from the ceiling. From any vantage point you can see some CDs edge-on, some from the top, some from the bottom, etc. But they're all oriented in the same direction.)
- deleted 9y ago[deleted]
- sosuke 9y agoThat boggles my mind, do you have any sources I can read to start digging into on this? Not sure why a question like this would be voted down but my own searches have only turned up articles about galaxies spinning in the same direction. Someone else commented with some clarification. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16586901 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16586901
- semi-extrinsic 9y agoThis situation is trivially detectable though. Simply plot the inclination angle of disc galaxies as a function of azimuth and inclination, if it's like you say, there will be a very clear banded structure.
- tossandturn 9y agoThat analogy does not hold up when the CD you are observing from is in the same plane as all the others.
- jl6 9y agoI suspect that in your example you would observe a number of different apparent orientations, but that there would be some types of apparent orientation that could never occur.
- mkempe 9y agoDid you maybe mean: small, satellite galaxies show up in the same orbital plane as the main galaxy's disk.
- mutagen 9y agoThey're not all aligned on the same plane, they're somewhat aligned along the matter filaments and sheets (including the suspected dark matter) that make up the large scale structure of the universe. "Galaxies are not distributed randomly in the cosmic web but are instead arranged in filaments and sheets surrounding cosmic voids. [...snip...] We found evidence that the spin axes of bright spiral galaxies have a weak tendency to be aligned parallel to filaments. For elliptical/S0 galaxies, we have a statistically significant result that their spin axes are aligned preferentially perpendicular to the host filaments;..." https://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.0068.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.0068.pdf "Galaxy shapes are not randomly oriented, rather they are statistically aligned in a way that can depend on formation environment, history and galaxy type." https://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.05465.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.05465.pdf https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March15/Joachimi/Joachimi6.html https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March15/Joachimi/Joachim...
- wuliwong 9y agoGalaxies are distributed throughout a volume of space, they don't even exist on a single plane. Edit: here is a video which clearly shows the orientations of rotation are not aligned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14yG_YER3xc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14yG_YER3xc