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What are you worried about, exactly? If there is some other reason besides that this data has the potential to be sold, I would like to know so I can be worried

by creep 9y ago

What are you worried about, exactly? If there is some other reason besides that this data has the potential to be sold, I would like to know so I can be worried too. I live in one of the largest cities in Canada, which doesn't compare at all to New York. I've never been through an intensive security protocol (haven't even been to Disneyland, and our airport is just a matter of a simple metal detector) and this prospect doesn't really bother me. I would like to know about it when it's being done, but otherwise I believe that any data obtained from my person is ultimately inconsequential to the way I live my life. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the most anyone can do with such data at the moment is ad profiling, and I don't pay attention to ads. I don't really buy things. I am in control of my own actions, and to know that somebody has information on me doesn't change that. The goal is to be as authentic as possible. Is there a reason to care?

ABCLAW 9y ago
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the most anyone can do with such data at the moment is ad profiling You're wrong. We already see systems in the wild that gather this data to make financial decisions regarding you (whether or not to extend credit, etc), to track you (particularly useful in litigation), to perform open-source investigations of you without your knowledge, to make decisions regarding your eligibility for various services and insurance, to determine your access to information, etc. Regulation of companies that collect personal information already exists, and already exists for well defined reasons. Since you're Canadian, feel free to look up PIPEDA and your local provincial equivalents. Largely, the substantive portions of the legislation are directly lifted from the following OECD report: http://www.oecd.org/internet/ieconomy/oecdguidelinesontheprotectionofprivacyandtransborderflowsofpersonaldata.htm http://www.oecd.org/internet/ieconomy/oecdguidelinesonthepro... In particular, look at Part Two, which is the basis for the overarching privacy framework in Canada: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/P-8.6/page-11.html#h-26 http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/P-8.6/page-11.html#h...
js2 9y ago
Yes, privacy matters. Have you ever seen the movie Brazil? Some reasons you ought be concerned: - that you are mistaken for someone who committed a crime and have to deal with the bureaucracy that ensues. See for example false positives on the no-fly list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List#False_positives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List#False_positives - that you commit a crime without even knowing it and end up paying for it at the whim of the government. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3044794/How-we-all-break-the-law-every-day.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3044794... More generally, I’d like to point you to this piece addressing the “nothing to hide” mentality: https://www.chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461 https://www.chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-i... Edit: that piece is paywalled. Here’s Glenn Greenwald on the topic: https://www.ted.com/talks/glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matters https://www.ted.com/talks/glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matter... Cory Doctorow has also written extensively about privacy.

by creep 9y ago

ABCLAW 9y ago

>Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the most anyone can do with such data at the moment is ad profiling You're wrong. We already see systems in the wild that gather this data to make financial decisions regarding you (whether or not to extend credit, etc), to track you (particularly useful in litigation), to perform open-source investigations of you without your knowledge, to make decisions regarding your eligibility for various services and insurance, to determine your access to information, etc. Regulation of companies that collect personal information already exists, and already exists for well defined reasons. Since you're Canadian, feel free to look up PIPEDA and your local provincial equivalents. Largely, the substantive portions of the legislation are directly lifted from the following OECD report: http://www.oecd.org/internet/ieconomy/oecdguidelinesontheprotectionofprivacyandtransborderflowsofpersonaldata.htm http://www.oecd.org/internet/ieconomy/oecdguidelinesonthepro... In particular, look at Part Two, which is the basis for the overarching privacy framework in Canada: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/P-8.6/page-11.html#h-26 http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/P-8.6/page-11.html#h...

js2 9y ago

Yes, privacy matters. Have you ever seen the movie Brazil? Some reasons you ought be concerned: - that you are mistaken for someone who committed a crime and have to deal with the bureaucracy that ensues. See for example false positives on the no-fly list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List#False_positives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List#False_positives - that you commit a crime without even knowing it and end up paying for it at the whim of the government. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3044794/How-we-all-break-the-law-every-day.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3044794... More generally, I’d like to point you to this piece addressing the “nothing to hide” mentality: https://www.chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461 https://www.chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-i... Edit: that piece is paywalled. Here’s Glenn Greenwald on the topic: https://www.ted.com/talks/glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matters https://www.ted.com/talks/glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matter... Cory Doctorow has also written extensively about privacy.