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I apologize if the word offends you. It was both intentioned to be non offensive (which should be apparent from my admiration for her WORK while giving no fuck

I apologize if the word offends you. It was both intentioned to be non offensive (which should be apparent from my admiration for her WORK while giving no fucks about her as a person) and carries a common definition in the English space of being polite and non derogatory. Had she been male my comment would be exactly the same except it would say 'dude' in place of 'chick'. Now does anyone know where I can find that write up, because I'm still really interested?

albedoa 9y ago
I believe this tweet implies that she still (as of that thread) had not written it up: https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/953713207205441536 https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/953713207205441536
levesque 9y ago
Tongue in cheek reaction to your calling her "this chick": https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/973951162536706049 https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/973951162536706049 I am not "this chick," I have never been "this chick," the correct label is "yonder youthful poultry"
markcerqueira 9y ago
Do you normally apologize for people feeling offended about what you said instead of just apologizing?
- johnchristopher 9y ago
  This is a major pet peeve of mine. In politicians's mouth it seems so offending, condescending and passive-agressive: "If my words have offended you I give you my apologies". They rarely take responsibility for themselves, offloading it on their « words » and « if » or « may have offended ». Like "I am sorry if you are too emotive to hear my words". Gah.
- gkilmain 9y ago
  Are you genuinely curious or just piling on?
johnchristopher 9y ago
> I am not "this chick," I have never been "this chick," the correct label is "yonder youthful poultry" https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/973951162536706049 https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/973951162536706049
dwighttk 9y ago
Now, "Dude" - that's a name no one would self-apply where I come from.
Raphmedia 9y ago
> Had she been male my comment would be exactly the same except it would say 'dude' in place of 'chick'. Dude is gender neutral. Chick comes from "chica", which by itself comes from the Latin "ciccum" as in pea. By calling a woman a chick, you are called her a "chick-pea". There's even some association with "chick bird", as in a bird you hunt. Modern usage associates the use of "chick" with the beauty of the individual. Calling a woman a "chick" is using her physical appearance to describe her, disregarding her actual skills and achievements. By calling a woman a chick, you are either: A) Calling her a young girl (women are not children) B) Calling her a young bird (women are not prey) C) Calling her a young plant (women are more than brainless beautiful things) All of those can offend. The equivalent would be calling a men "boy toy" or some such slang. Not something you can do without earning a punch in the face. Derogate: –verb (used with object) 3. to disparage or belittle.
- mgkimsal 9y ago
  "Dude is gender neutral." When everyone you've ever known, and all media you've ever seen, for 30 years, has exclusively used "dude" for males only, is it really "gender neutral"?
  - iamdave 9y ago
    I promise I'm not being antagonistic just because I disagree with you (a qualifier that shouldn't even be necessary but eggshells are abundant in this thread right now), it's weird to me to hear this because I grew up in a time in a culture where dude 100% was gender neutral and it was celebrated[1] as such [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqMODweN8lQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqMODweN8lQ
    - mgkimsal 9y ago
      "just because I disagree with you" I asked a question. I'm not sure what there is to disagree about.
  - Raphmedia 9y ago
    It is generally accepted as gender neutral. Lately, I've seen a lot of LGBT communities encouraging its use. Googling "Is dude gender neutral?" results in a lot of sites telling you that it is. "In the early 1960s, dude became prominent in surfer culture as a synonym of guy or fella. The female equivalent was "dudette" or "dudess," but these have both fallen into disuse, and "dude" is now also used as a unisex term." Dude - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude
s73v3r_ 9y ago
"and carries a common definition in the English space of being polite and non derogatory." Not really. It's always been somewhat condescending. "Had she been male my comment would be exactly the same except it would say 'dude' in place of 'chick'." Dude, and in fact many euphemisms for men, don't carry the same connotations as the ones for women.
9889095r3jh 9y ago
If I made a name for myself in journalism with honest indepth reporting that didn't skimp on the technical details, and someone said "that dudes awesome," I'd feel a little pissed. If you saw me at a bar, forgot my name, and said "hey you're that dude from the other day" I wouldn't mind. All about context. She's a professional and this is a professional context. "Chick" isn't a huge deal, and I'm sure you didn't mean to be offensive. But it reflects a level of informality that isn't appropriate for the situation.

albedoa 9y ago

I believe this tweet implies that she still (as of that thread) had not written it up: https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/953713207205441536 https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/953713207205441536

levesque 9y ago

Tongue in cheek reaction to your calling her "this chick": https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/973951162536706049 https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/973951162536706049 I am not "this chick," I have never been "this chick," the correct label is "yonder youthful poultry"

markcerqueira 9y ago

Do you normally apologize for people feeling offended about what you said instead of just apologizing?

johnchristopher 9y ago
This is a major pet peeve of mine. In politicians's mouth it seems so offending, condescending and passive-agressive: "If my words have offended you I give you my apologies". They rarely take responsibility for themselves, offloading it on their « words » and « if » or « may have offended ». Like "I am sorry if you are too emotive to hear my words". Gah.
gkilmain 9y ago
Are you genuinely curious or just piling on?

johnchristopher 9y ago

> I am not "this chick," I have never been "this chick," the correct label is "yonder youthful poultry" https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/973951162536706049 https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/973951162536706049

dwighttk 9y ago

Now, "Dude" - that's a name no one would self-apply where I come from.

Raphmedia 9y ago

> Had she been male my comment would be exactly the same except it would say 'dude' in place of 'chick'. Dude is gender neutral. Chick comes from "chica", which by itself comes from the Latin "ciccum" as in pea. By calling a woman a chick, you are called her a "chick-pea". There's even some association with "chick bird", as in a bird you hunt. Modern usage associates the use of "chick" with the beauty of the individual. Calling a woman a "chick" is using her physical appearance to describe her, disregarding her actual skills and achievements. By calling a woman a chick, you are either: A) Calling her a young girl (women are not children) B) Calling her a young bird (women are not prey) C) Calling her a young plant (women are more than brainless beautiful things) All of those can offend. The equivalent would be calling a men "boy toy" or some such slang. Not something you can do without earning a punch in the face. Derogate: –verb (used with object) 3. to disparage or belittle.

mgkimsal 9y ago
"Dude is gender neutral." When everyone you've ever known, and all media you've ever seen, for 30 years, has exclusively used "dude" for males only, is it really "gender neutral"?
- iamdave 9y ago
  I promise I'm not being antagonistic just because I disagree with you (a qualifier that shouldn't even be necessary but eggshells are abundant in this thread right now), it's weird to me to hear this because I grew up in a time in a culture where dude 100% was gender neutral and it was celebrated[1] as such [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqMODweN8lQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqMODweN8lQ
  - mgkimsal 9y ago
    "just because I disagree with you" I asked a question. I'm not sure what there is to disagree about.
- Raphmedia 9y ago
  It is generally accepted as gender neutral. Lately, I've seen a lot of LGBT communities encouraging its use. Googling "Is dude gender neutral?" results in a lot of sites telling you that it is. "In the early 1960s, dude became prominent in surfer culture as a synonym of guy or fella. The female equivalent was "dudette" or "dudess," but these have both fallen into disuse, and "dude" is now also used as a unisex term." Dude - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude

s73v3r_ 9y ago

"and carries a common definition in the English space of being polite and non derogatory." Not really. It's always been somewhat condescending. "Had she been male my comment would be exactly the same except it would say 'dude' in place of 'chick'." Dude, and in fact many euphemisms for men, don't carry the same connotations as the ones for women.

9889095r3jh 9y ago

If I made a name for myself in journalism with honest indepth reporting that didn't skimp on the technical details, and someone said "that dudes awesome," I'd feel a little pissed. If you saw me at a bar, forgot my name, and said "hey you're that dude from the other day" I wouldn't mind. All about context. She's a professional and this is a professional context. "Chick" isn't a huge deal, and I'm sure you didn't mean to be offensive. But it reflects a level of informality that isn't appropriate for the situation.