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That's one side of the story. There are still huge numbers of casual and home users who are much better off with automatic updates and the reflex to disable th

That's one side of the story. There are still huge numbers of casual and home users who are much better off with automatic updates and the reflex to disable them due to being a minor annoyance has to go.

sevensor 9y ago
> There are still huge numbers of casual and home users who are much better off with automatic updates and the reflex to disable them due to being a minor annoyance has to go. Outside of gamers, though, most of them couldn't care less about Windows and continue to use it because it's what came with the laptop. This is an irretrievably shrinking market. I admit Microsoft is in a bind here. A huge legacy install base that refuses to apply updates when asked nicely is a recipe for another Conficker. Their previous success in the consumer market has turned into a huge liability. But they can't fix that by having a punitive update process in Windows 10. All those old unpatched Windows 7 machines are still out there. The same users who don't apply patches opted out of the free windows 10 update.
- Piskvorrr 9y ago
  Let's take a look at what the "opting out" looked like: "OMG OMG, there's a completely different thing in the computer than there was yesterday! Make it go away!! I didn't touch nothing this time!!!" And lo and behold, there was indeed a completely different OS, without any attempt at obtaining user consent (or, even worse, against the expressed denial of consent). Are you surprised that the users "opted out" of further violations of expectations? TL;DR: nonconsensual "upgrade" bad; perhaps the tea analogy didn't quite register with MS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8
  - sevensor 9y ago
    > Are you surprised that the users "opted out" of further violations of expectations? Not in the least. Like I said, I think MS is terrified of another Conficker, and they reacted in the worst possible way by trying to coerce people into applying updates. Worse, not all of those updates were truly for the users' benefit, and some of them rendered the user's computer inoperable. The not-unexpected result is that people, especially the less sophisticated userbase we're talking about, have moved from total indifference towards updates to moderate distrust.

sevensor 9y ago

> There are still huge numbers of casual and home users who are much better off with automatic updates and the reflex to disable them due to being a minor annoyance has to go. Outside of gamers, though, most of them couldn't care less about Windows and continue to use it because it's what came with the laptop. This is an irretrievably shrinking market. I admit Microsoft is in a bind here. A huge legacy install base that refuses to apply updates when asked nicely is a recipe for another Conficker. Their previous success in the consumer market has turned into a huge liability. But they can't fix that by having a punitive update process in Windows 10. All those old unpatched Windows 7 machines are still out there. The same users who don't apply patches opted out of the free windows 10 update.

Piskvorrr 9y ago
Let's take a look at what the "opting out" looked like: "OMG OMG, there's a completely different thing in the computer than there was yesterday! Make it go away!! I didn't touch nothing this time!!!" And lo and behold, there was indeed a completely different OS, without any attempt at obtaining user consent (or, even worse, against the expressed denial of consent). Are you surprised that the users "opted out" of further violations of expectations? TL;DR: nonconsensual "upgrade" bad; perhaps the tea analogy didn't quite register with MS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8
- sevensor 9y ago
  > Are you surprised that the users "opted out" of further violations of expectations? Not in the least. Like I said, I think MS is terrified of another Conficker, and they reacted in the worst possible way by trying to coerce people into applying updates. Worse, not all of those updates were truly for the users' benefit, and some of them rendered the user's computer inoperable. The not-unexpected result is that people, especially the less sophisticated userbase we're talking about, have moved from total indifference towards updates to moderate distrust.