Your comment made me think of the quote by Guy Steele: "We were not out to win over the Lisp programmers; we were after the C++ programmers. We managed to drag

Your comment made me think of the quote by Guy Steele: "We were not out to win over the Lisp programmers; we were after the C++ programmers. We managed to drag a lot of them about halfway to Lisp." Even the designers of Java didn't expect programmers to go from Lisp to Java.